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Post by Doug/Va on Aug 8, 2005 16:37:46 GMT -5
I have a Horton Explorer 150 with a single red dot scope. I have zeroed it twice to the point I could hit a dime with every shot at 20 yards. BUT when I get it out again to practice more I find it is shooting to the right about 1 to 1 1/2 inches. What gives? I have checked everything and can not find anything loose. Any ideas?
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 8, 2005 17:02:07 GMT -5
I have a Horton Explorer 150 with a single red dot scope. I have zeroed it twice to the point I could hit a dime with every shot at 20 yards. BUT when I get it out again to practice more I find it is shooting to the right about 1 to 1 1/2 inches. What gives? I have checked everything and can not find anything loose. Any ideas? Is everything tight? Especially the screws holding the scope rings in place. I used Loc-Tite (blue?) on mine. |
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Post by Doug/Va on Aug 8, 2005 20:15:22 GMT -5
Well, this model scope don't have rings but rater is in a dovetail of sorts. I can't find anything loose though. The only thing I haven't checked is if the windage adjustment screw isn't moving back due to the vibration from being shot. I also need to check the bolts which hold the bow limbs just to make sure they are tight.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 8, 2005 20:24:14 GMT -5
Well, this model scope don't have rings but rater is in a dovetail of sorts. I can't find anything loose though. The only thing I haven't checked is if the windage adjustment screw isn't moving back due to the vibration from being shot. I also need to check the bolts which hold the bow limbs just to make sure they are tight. Are you grouping to the right or is this just a flyer or two? Number your arrows to make sure there isn't an arrow problem. Maybe some of the more experienced crossbowers can check in here.. |
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Post by digger on Aug 8, 2005 20:52:13 GMT -5
Try taking the red dot off your Horton take the mount off the bow if it comes off then reassemble the parts and shoot it. Also make sure your trigger assembly is not loose as it hooks up to the scope mount. It sounds like something is not tight or the red dot is bumping something when you store it and jars it off center.
I am not a fan of red dots or most any thing that needs batteries, they die on me at awkwar moments.
Digger
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Post by Doug/Va on Aug 9, 2005 6:47:30 GMT -5
They group to the right. If I move the adjustment screw 1/2 turn then they are back in the center again.
I am very careful not to bump the scope as I know what that can do to any scope.
I am not a big fan of something that uses batteries either but this scope came with the bow. I will get a better scope later on.
I will take the scope off and see if anything might be loose I can't see with it on. I know I have to be careful taking the scope off because of a spring which could go flying that goes to the dial a range.
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Post by leo on Aug 9, 2005 11:57:42 GMT -5
Doug, probably not the problem but are you holding the crossbow "level" each time?? I have found that when I am concentrating on something, like your problem, I forget to hold the bow close to level and it tends to shoot off a bit. Just a thought, if you are shooting from a rest it will usually eliminate a problem with your form  Good luck |
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Post by rjs on Aug 9, 2005 19:45:00 GMT -5
just a thought but are the cams in time with each other,? or have the cables stretched either will cause your point of impact to change,like i said just a thought..... good luck
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Post by Doug/Va on Aug 9, 2005 20:59:27 GMT -5
Folks, I took the scope off today and checked everything to make sure it was right or tight. I found nothing wrong anywhere so I put it back together and went out to give it another try. It was shooting dead center (after being taken off the bow). I shot the bow about 20 times until I almost made a large hole through the center of my target (Guess I need a new target now ;D ) So far so good. Yes I checked the wheels and they are in time. I have checked everything I know to check. Hopefully it was just me since I have days when my "shootin is off". And So far I have only shot the bow from a rest and try to keep the bow level. Who knows what it was? Was it really me...could have been, at least I hope so. Also thanks a bunch for all your help. |
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Post by wabi on Aug 10, 2005 7:52:23 GMT -5
How are you cocking the bow?
My Excalibur Exocet changes the point of impact about 1" at 25 yards if I cock it with the rope cocking aid, then cock it by hand. I can shoot consistant groups by either method, but there is a difference.
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Post by Doug/Va on Aug 10, 2005 20:14:43 GMT -5
I have been cocking it by hand. My rope cocker hasn't came in yet. I have my string marked on both sides of the rail so I know if I pull harder on one side than the other. So far the marks have lined up perfectly every time. The bow will shoot under an inch group at 20 yards and under 2 inches at 40 yards.
The only real diference I have found is if I use feathers they will group to the right about 1 1/2 inches and plastic vanes will group to the left. Also the feathers group tighter than the plastic.
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Post by cday on Aug 11, 2005 1:09:08 GMT -5
One thing it might be is flinching when squeezing the trigger. The sound itself can make you flinch not just recoil. Also the trigger pull if you are right handed. I have noticed that if I had not shot my in a few days the first few shots are either high or to the right. With out making any adjustments to my scope but keep shooting they start grouping the way they should.
Also the vibration could be moving your windage screw. Once you set make a mark and see if it moves back any after a few shots.
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Post by John on Aug 11, 2005 8:15:05 GMT -5
Doug/Va:
I have also found many times that feather fletching at 4' to 6' deg. offset will group better than plastic vanes, many times. You might also find that if you did not fletch the bolts yourself that the plastic may have a different deg. of offset or straight even. However that said, remember that the Feathers in rain (wet) will not carry as well as the plastic vanes, as was pointed out by many others, So I would suggest having a Feather set for dry hunting, and plastic set for wet hunting as I do. Both set at the same deg. and sight tested before.
John
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Post by Doug/Va on Aug 12, 2005 7:27:31 GMT -5
John, Thanks for the information. I don't want to sound like a wuss but I don't hunt in the rain. If it is raining I sleep in. I have got wet too many times and miserable to come home with empty pockets. I really don't think I was flinching and the bow has settled down. I am used to shooting flintlocks and they will cure a flinch over time. |
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Post by wabi on Aug 12, 2005 8:39:47 GMT -5
It sounds like you are an experienced shooter, and are careful about cocking the crossbow consistantly. I would have to say the most likely place for the problem is the red-dot sight. I'd sight it in then leave the adjustments alone for a few shooting sessions just to see what happens. Also, a lot of the red-dot sights have parallax despite manufacturer's claims. That might be a possibility?
Might be a good idea to try a different type sight for a few shooting sessions and see what happens.
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Post by Doug/Va on Aug 12, 2005 22:16:58 GMT -5
I am an experienced shooter, but not with crossbows. I have hunted deer with a muzzleloader since 1976 and with a flintlock since 1992. Deer hunted with center fire rifles since around 1972. This is the first crossbow I have ever owned and never had shot one until I got this one. I have found out one thing. My crossbow is a lot faster than my buckmaster bow and a lot easier to get to shoot good. Not much to tune. Something else I like is the fact you don't have to draw when the deer isn't looking your way and hope he don't "hang up" because the crossbow is already "drew". I wonder how long it will be until the crossbow companies will start the "oneupmanship" the muzzleloader companies are doing? We already have some crossbows that have a draw weight of 225 ( the heaviest I know of). I wonder how long it will be until we see 300, 400 or even 500 pound draw weights since we already have those "winch" cranks to cock the bow with. Just food for thought. |
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