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Post by jdmiller on Jul 29, 2005 23:21:48 GMT -5
Guys , I have a question .
I posted this on another site but I would still like some more opinions . First off I would like to state that I dont condone taking compromising shots at any animal and I impose a limit of 25yds with vertical and crossbow alike.
I have killed several deer with a vertical bow . This will be my first deer season with a crossbow . The crossbow in comparison to my traditional bows produce alot more kinetic energy . This brings me to my question .... Has anyone ever hit dead center of the shoulder on entry with a typical hunting situation of 25yds or less from a elevated position with a crossbow? What was the outcome and what type of penetration occured ?
This is not something I would attempt but could easily happen . I've always used the opposite shoulder as reference with a quartering away shot . Usually hitting bone on the exit but considering myself lucky... I never have hit forward onto the shoulder with a vertical bow.
Just curious .
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Post by kevin1 on Jul 30, 2005 8:57:31 GMT -5
A shoulder hit is always a dicey proposition regardless of the equipment and should be avoided . If you have a good penetrating broad head that can bust bone such as a Muzzy or other trocar type you may still seal the deal , but bolts lose energy very fast when encountering an obstruction which will limit penetration . The best thing you can do is to always strive to hit meat instead of bone , and if the target moves before the bolt gets there it's best if the least desireable shot has been anticipated and prepared for by choosing equipment that can handle it .
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rjs
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Post by rjs on Jul 30, 2005 11:13:55 GMT -5
the shoulder shot is a poor choice with any archery equipment,poor penetration,poor blood trail,and a chance of a lost game animal,that said with the K.E. developed by some of todays crossbows,yes you might possibly break the shoulder and put the deer down,but in my opinion it is a shot that should be avoided,several years ago i tracked a buck that was hit in the shoulder (vert bow 68#-2413 ) and if it were not for snow cover i dont think the deer would have been recovered. (just my opinion) bob
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Post by DJH on Jul 30, 2005 11:14:41 GMT -5
JD – A shoulder shot is never recommended, however it does happen. The whitetail deer is not the same type of target as the 3-D molded foam and has a tendency to move very quickly when the trigger is pulled. I have made shoulder shots with a crossbow and the effect at close range has been devastating for the target. I credit this to the power of the crossbow at twenty-five yards or under and to the broadheads that were used to make the shot. I use a cut-on-contact broadhead made of titanium and am amazed at the penetration that it provides. Another key factor is that the shot is not a glancing shot, but instead a full broadside shot.
One of the shoulder shots was on an Aoudad antelope, which is even tougher than a whitetail. It was made at twenty yards. The arrow passed through the front shoulder and out of the neck on the other side. The animal covered on twenty yards before collapsing.
With a crossbow at short range, a full broadside shot and with a good sharp broadhead, a fatal blow will be delivered even if the shot is made to the shoulder. One should never intentionally try to make this shot, however.
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Post by cambygsp on Jul 30, 2005 11:32:51 GMT -5
Welcome aboard Mr. Hendricks!....It is quite an honor to have you here!
I sure appreciate your efforts and leadership on "pro-hunting" issues.
Thanks for your dedication.
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Post by jdmiller on Jul 30, 2005 11:39:52 GMT -5
Guys
I appreciate all the comments and like I stated I would never intentionally take this shot . But in reality it could happen to anyone of us . I've been bowhunting for about 27 years ... over that time I've shot deer in about every spot except a direct shoulder hit . I've been lucky to recover all of them except one . He was killed by my father-in-law the next year ... still had my broadhead in him . It was definitely a less than perfect shot almost straight down and a bad case of buckfever had set in .It was amazing to see how the deer had recovered .
My question was for curiosity more than anything and would love to hear more comments to the effect .
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Post by garyl on Jul 30, 2005 17:53:10 GMT -5
Guys , I have a question . I posted this on another site but I would still like some more opinions . First off I would like to state that I dont condone taking compromising shots at any animal and I impose a limit of 25yds with vertical and crossbow alike. I have killed several deer with a vertical bow . This will be my first deer season with a crossbow . The crossbow in comparison to my traditional bows produce alot more kinetic energy . This brings me to my question .... Has anyone ever hit dead center of the shoulder on entry with a typical hunting situation of 25yds or less from a elevated position with a crossbow? What was the outcome and what type of penetration occured ?This is not something I would attempt but could easily happen . I've always used the opposite shoulder as reference with a quartering away shot . Usually hitting bone on the exit but considering myself lucky... I never have hit forward onto the shoulder with a vertical bow. Just curious . I would have too agree with all of the above post on the matter. However if you were to hit the spine as you passed thru the shoulder it should drop.... No I have never made that shot (Center of shoulder from a elevated position) see link from W.W. copied from the Excal. site.... home.mn.rr.com/deerfever/Anatomy.html
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Post by jh45gun on Aug 1, 2005 3:21:09 GMT -5
Did not with a crossbow but with my 70# compound I shot two far forward and it hit the shoulder bone right in the joint I mean right dead center in the joint of the joint were the shoulder blade joins the round bones of the leg. The broadhead was broken off in the joint. I tracked but did not get the deer. How do I know this well my buddy shot the same deer a couple of days later in the same area. We found my broadhead when processing the meat and there was no sign of infection either unless it was too soon to start. We both figured this deer would have lived but with a bum front shoulder. Since I have read that a 150 or 175# crossbow equals a 60 to 70 pound bow in performance I figure a xbow would have equaled the same shot.
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Post by multidigits on Aug 1, 2005 8:58:04 GMT -5
There's a piece of the bone that rides in grissle that can't be penetrated by anything, even some bullets and other projectiles. It'll be the end of the leg bone that is mostly round. This area would be about a 3" dia. circle that would cause the arrow to stop with about 2" of penetration. Any other spot on the shoulder should get good results, but to be sure it's best to shoot behind the shoulder. Most double lungers will die within sight of the stand.
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