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Post by steiny on Feb 12, 2019 10:33:51 GMT -5
Yesterday morning my neighbor calls me to tell me that there are several pickup trucks with antennas and coyote dog boxes roaming the neighborhood around our farms. So I go for a little lap around the block and sure enough they are blowing through our place. I questioned one of the guys and he tells me that they had permission to hunt from a neighbor (think he owns 25 acres). Told them they need to stay off my place and anyplace else out there they don't have permission. They gave me the old yes sir, sorry sir line.
Called the warden and he tells me there is not a whole lot he can do about it unless we actually catch the hunters in the act hunting or shooting on our place, and by law they can actually go in and retrieve a dog (personal property) that is on somebody else's place. He said he would try to find those guys and pay a little visit and let them know that he was getting complaints and that they need to stay where they have permission.
These coyote dog guys are sneaky. They get permission from one or two landowners, then blow their dogs through the entire section, tracking them with radio collars while circling in their trucks. They probably trespass on more properties than they have permission on. They were also doing it Monday morning AM when most folks are at work, part of their strategy for less complaints and interactions with landowners.
I'm all for killing a few coyotes, but this type of disregard for private property is downright disrespectful. Farms are small around here and no way your dogs are going to stay on one place for long.
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Post by omegahunter on Feb 12, 2019 14:27:12 GMT -5
I used to be part of a coyote chasing/hunting group back when gas was cheap. It got to the point that we had less and less properties that we had permission to walk the dogs through and I gave it up for rabbit hunting. I don't miss it at all although it was a lot of fun when I was doing it!
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Post by jman46151 on Feb 13, 2019 13:23:58 GMT -5
They do the same thing around my in-laws. I know dogs don't know property lines but it still frustrates me also. It's ridiculous that they can trespass to retrieve a dog. Not to mention how they fly around on barely maintained roads and tear them up even more. Or how some random truck will be turning around in your driveway multiple times a day. A few weeks ago I was down there and a CO drove by. Turns out someone called him and complained so he was driving out to talk to the guys. Funny thing is that they don't seem to kill too many coyotes. I have trail cam pics of multiple coyotes walking through the property every couple of days. Heck, one coyote walked through the night after a hound went through.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 13, 2019 18:41:03 GMT -5
I recall some guys back in the 70s and 80s that ran fox hounds.. they said. Some of their foxes had white tails and sported a rack
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Post by omegahunter on Feb 14, 2019 10:07:01 GMT -5
I recall some guys back in the 70s and 80s that ran fox hounds.. they said. Some of their foxes had white tails and sported a rack Bet my grandpa would have given a pretty penny for a shocking outfit back then to break his foxhounds from running deer. Wasn't much better in my childhood than sitting with him around a fire in the river bottoms listening to the dogs take those fox in circles around us! Wasn't so fun the times they bumped deer and lined out for the next township! |
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Post by bullseye69 on Feb 19, 2019 18:26:54 GMT -5
A few traps on "your property" might catch a yote chaser or two.
Then they would have to get the dog out of the trap instead of just trespassing thru.
Doesn't even have to be set well for a yote as a dog will get caught really easy.
May have them think a little about trespassing next time.
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Post by squirrelhunter on Feb 21, 2019 12:53:45 GMT -5
I recall some guys back in the 70s and 80s that ran fox hounds.. they said. Some of their foxes had white tails and sported a rack Bet my grandpa would have given a pretty penny for a shocking outfit back then to break his foxhounds from running deer. Wasn't much better in my childhood than sitting with him around a fire in the river bottoms listening to the dogs take those fox in circles around us! Wasn't so fun the times they bumped deer and lined out for the next township! My dad got 1 of them back in the 90s to break his beagle from running deer,it only took once. That was the first I'd heard of them. Later I got 1,not for breaking them from running deer but to teach them to come when I called them,worked pretty good. Now I use it occasionally to teach them to quit barking when I tell them to but not often,they're usually not that stubborn. |
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Post by esshup on Feb 21, 2019 14:22:33 GMT -5
Bet my grandpa would have given a pretty penny for a shocking outfit back then to break his foxhounds from running deer. Wasn't much better in my childhood than sitting with him around a fire in the river bottoms listening to the dogs take those fox in circles around us! Wasn't so fun the times they bumped deer and lined out for the next township! My dad got 1 of them back in the 90s to break his beagle from running deer,it only took once. That was the first I'd heard of them. Later I got 1,not for breaking them from running deer but to teach them to come when I called them,worked pretty good. Now I use it occasionally to teach them to quit barking when I tell them to but not often,they're usually not that stubborn. Yep, I look at the e-collars as a tool to remind the dog that they still have to listen to what I say (they have to know what the command means first) even though they are not on a leash or not right next to me. It's more of a way to tap them on the shoulder and say "Hey, I'm still here and you need to pay attention." I've seem them used as an avoidance training method too, when I was in California to train the dogs not to go near a live snake. Live defanged rattlesnakes were used. The dog had the e-collar on. They were led or sent downwind of a live snake. If the dog went towards the snake, it was hit with the collar on high. It may sound cruel, but it worked and it was better for the dog to get hit with the collar than by a live snake when they were out hunting. One training session a year was all it took. I still use mine for exactly what you said, to come when called when they get distracted. I have mine set on 3 out of 10, 10 being the highest. |
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Post by squirrelhunter on Feb 21, 2019 17:19:21 GMT -5
Yeah. Mine goes up to 100 but I usually only have it on 10-20,if the first shock don't work than I turn it up a little and do it again until I get their attention. My beagle Annie was very hard to get off of hunting duty. It usually took a couple of good jolts to get her attention but sometimes I just shot the shotgun up into the air,it worked about as good. This year she's finally caught on and I'm not even putting it on her. She doesn't get far from me,comes around and checks where I'm at and comes when I call her for the most part. When we got done hunting the other day I was ready to chain her back up and she got on a trail of another 1 which ran over to the neighbors that don't allow hunting,that was the only time I had a hard time getting her off and had to shoot into the air.
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Post by esshup on Feb 21, 2019 17:28:10 GMT -5
The last time I had Springer Spaniel pups, I took the brother and sister into the woods for a walk when they were about 12-13 weeks old. I had a heck of a time getting them to stay close to me. I finally got tired of chasing after them and calling them back, so the next time they took off I found a rather large tree and stood behind it. I could keep an eye on them and after about 5 minutes I think something clicked in their heads. They both looked up, looked back and couldn't see me. The look that they had was something like "Oh SH.., where did he go?" After letting them run around looking and sniffing around for me for about 10 minutes I waited until they were looking the other way and stepped out from behind the tree. When they looked back, there I was and they ran like heck back to me without me saying a thing. They stayed close after that without the need for a collar.  They remembered that for close to a year. |
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Post by squirrelhunter on Feb 21, 2019 17:39:03 GMT -5
I never thought of that but wouldn't work for her,she would always stay close until she got on the scent of a rabbit and then she was gone. I'd see her once in a while for a few seconds but that was it,she'd even run about out of hearing range. After a couple of hours of just letting her hunt and not knowing where she was I'd give up and head back to truck and low and behold that's where she was waiting on me.  |
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They remembered that for close to a year. 