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Post by boonechaser on Jan 3, 2019 23:30:33 GMT -5
I'd like to think that IDNR has already been proactive and maybe one of reasons for our past 6 years of planned deer reductions??? Certainly having a smaller herd would help keep exposure down. I do know our new deer biologist has educational background in deer diseases and CWD. So our DNR has evidently been giving it some thought.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 3, 2019 23:33:05 GMT -5
Would you eat or let your family members eat a CWD positive Deer? From what I have read so far I would lean towards yes. I'd venture to say millions of hunters already have.
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Post by blackmouthcur on Jan 4, 2019 3:21:19 GMT -5
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Jan 4, 2019 6:00:43 GMT -5
So if there is a recall/advisory/warnings by the FDA on lettuce/meat or whatever, I assume some here just ignore the warnings and just eat it anyway?
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Post by greghopper on Jan 4, 2019 7:05:25 GMT -5
So if there is a recall/advisory/warnings by the FDA on lettuce/meat or whatever, I assume some here just ignore the warnings and just eat it anyway? There lots of conflicting data and thoughts on CWD for sure, but best to err on side of caution IMO
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jan 4, 2019 7:10:45 GMT -5
So if there is a recall/advisory/warnings by the FDA on lettuce/meat or whatever, I assume some here just ignore the warnings and just eat it anyway? I probably would if my entire identity was built around lettuce harvest.. Every spare waking minute planning and scheming how to get out and get that last clump of romaine lettuce.. Go to sleep thinking about the places lettuce grows wild, dream about packing out a heavy load of the stuff from the backcountry, wake up and read on my phone about other people's lettuce hunting experiences while I sit on the toilet.. I do think, from my own limited research, there is a very tiny chance of CWD jumping the species barrier. But I'm not going to give up hunting and eating cervids because there might be a one in a billion chance. Anybody that throws in the towel due to those odds probably wasn't very passionate about it to begin with.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 4, 2019 7:23:35 GMT -5
I don't believe many will stop hunting but I do believe a lot folks will wait on test results be eating a animal in a CWD hot spot.
I also believe no one is being scammed by state officials!
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jan 4, 2019 7:39:48 GMT -5
First off, I don't want anyone to think I'm trying to sound like an expert on this topic because I definitely am not. I've just been hunting in CWD zones for several years now, reading the regs, submitting critters for testing where required, abiding by transportation rules, etc. As far as Kroll, I don't really know much about him other than I used to see him on some of the syndicated hunting shows back when I had Outdoor and Sportsman Channel. I've heard that he's in bed with the fenced shooting operations, I don't know so I won't comment on his potential motivations. On Ted Nugent, he is a high-fence owner, and the vast majority of the killing he does is captive animals in fenced facilities. He has a very vested interest in this, both financially and in his daily killing on his ranches. He is far from an unbiased source. I listened to a Joe Rogan podcast with Nugent where he goes off on CWD. The problem with Nugent is he may say 9 things that sound right and make sense, then you hear the tenth and you know it is patently false, an outright lie. It's unfortunate, because in my eyes it basically discounts all the legitimate points he makes because you know he is just twisting things to fit his agenda, whether it be hunting or 2nd amendment related. The Hunttalk Radio podcast I mentioned in a previous post addresses a lot of Nugent's claims, and really shoots most of them down. Both the Hunttalk and Meateater podcasts feature leading CWD researchers on those episodes, not barstool commentators with no background in science. On the state management side of things, in Indiana I do think it makes sense to temporarily depopulate in an area where CWD is found. It won't keep it from spreading throughout the state, but it may buy the remainder of the deer herd some time before the disease reaches every corner of the state. Now if CWD pops up in Gary, I do not think it makes sense to depopulate in Madison. Any drastic measures on deer numbers should be in the immediate area to limit spread of the disease where it's currently at. It seems like the approach of "We can't have CWD here if there are no deer to contract it" defeats the entire point of preventing the spread, since the primary concern is population decline. From the limited glimpses we've seen from IDNR's preliminary strategy, I do think they'll take a more regional approach with this, at least at first. Now in other states, like Colorado, Wyoming, and I believe even Wisconsin now, it seems like the management agencies are basically letting nature "run its course." Once it's covered a major portion or even the entire state, like Wyoming, no amount of depopulation will eradicate the disease entirely. Wyoming could kill every single deer, elk and moose and have no population for a decade, and when they gradually began the repopulation process animals from surrounding states would bring it right back in through natural movements, not to mention the likelihood of critters picking up the prions left on the environment from years before. I do not believe that Wisconsin has seen a significant decline in populations yet. The quality of the habitat is such that they may not, the age class may just gradually shift to younger animals since CWD is such a slow killer. Now in parts of Colorado and Wyoming, researchers estimate that in some deer herds, up to 19% of the population are succumbing to CWD. Those states are not depopulating, they are in fact attempting to rebuild the herd through reduced allocation of tags. Many areas now allow limited doe hunting only on private land (which may be 5% of an overall management unit) or sometimes no female harvest at all, and significantly reduced buck hunting opportunity over the years. Meanwhile, other CWD areas in those same states do not appear to suffer any population decline due to CWD. In summary, I do believe CWD is a real disease. I do not believe it poses a serious risk to human health. I do believe it could cause significant shift in overall cervid populations, either in total numbers or age class. I do think you need to be careful where you pull your information, because many sources do have a bias. Now that my armchair dissertation is complete, feel free to fill it full of holes
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Post by greghopper on Jan 4, 2019 7:54:28 GMT -5
I agree none of us are CWD experts or have a degree in Biology.... But I am not going to pull the pants Down on the DNR when the try to control/combat the Disease and I HOPE many other do the same.
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Post by jjas on Jan 4, 2019 8:09:47 GMT -5
I'm conflicted on this subject as well. Obviously the big question remains...Is it transferable to humans? At this point it appears that it hasn't been, but I don't think I would eat an animal that tested positive.
Some questions I do have.
Who pays for the testing?
Do meat processors wait for results before processing?
If not, what happens to the meat of other animals that may have been processed with a deer that comes back positive?
Lots of unknowns, IMO...
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Post by greghopper on Jan 4, 2019 8:34:13 GMT -5
If the animal comes from hotspot/surveillance area the state will pay for testing from what I read from their site.
Not sure about other states.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 4, 2019 9:13:07 GMT -5
CDC's official statement is something to effect that there is no evidence of CWD being passed to humans but discourage consuming infected meat. Now how do we know in INDIANA that CWD isn't already here??? Some believe it has been for years INDIANA isnt doing mass testing statewide yet that I know of??
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Post by greghopper on Jan 4, 2019 9:26:59 GMT -5
What data does folks have that lead them to believe that's CWD is already here? DNR have been testing for some time now just not a massive scale as some think should happen Here's what I found on the DNR website: www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/9650.htm
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jan 4, 2019 9:28:19 GMT -5
I'm conflicted on this subject as well. Obviously the big question remains...Is it transferable to humans? At this point it appears that it hasn't been, but I don't think I would eat an animal that tested positive. Some questions I do have. Who pays for the testing? Mandatory testing, state pays. Optional, then usually the hunter must pay.Do meat processors wait for results before processing? No, test results typically take at least a couple of weeks.
If not, what happens to the meat of other animals that may have been processed with a deer that comes back positive? Currently I'd say nothing. I can't imagine that a game processor could or would recall an entire season's worth of meat. In areas with high prevalence, it's nearly a guarantee that a few positive animals will come through. The state of Colorado will reimburse individual hunters for their processing costs if their deer tests positive.. not if somebody else brought a positive deer to your processor.Lots of unknowns, IMO...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 9:46:03 GMT -5
CWD was 1st found in Colorado Elk herd over 30 yrs ago. Today Colorado's Elk herd is healthy and thriving. So even though these prions exist in the elks environment it is not by itself killing them off. Yes CWD needs studied more but simply killing of thousands of animals by inducing fear is irresponsible IMO. To me EHD is a bigger concern. . Witnessed EHD and can't imagine something worse.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 4, 2019 9:54:51 GMT -5
I persoanlly see deer farmers in different light. Yes they have a interest but their deee are heavily tested and I don't believe CWD is a problem in deer farms? We know as fact that a states DNR introduced the disease "for what godly reason IDK" to mule deer. Yep injected captive mule deer which in turn escaped and passed disease on and now here we are. Its been 30 plus years since that event if I remember correctly.
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 4, 2019 10:00:07 GMT -5
I would think deer farmers would want all wild deer killed to protect their herds right?? but they are very much against wild deer slaughters to prevent spread ?? That doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Jan 4, 2019 10:08:54 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Jan 4, 2019 10:22:31 GMT -5
I would think deer farmers would want all wild deer killed to protect their herds right?? but they are very much against wild deer slaughters to prevent spread ?? That doesn't make sense to me. NO.... state will pay them if they elect to kill their stock! Has already happened in the past with TB. It will effect their ability to move somewhat!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 10:23:05 GMT -5
So spot on muzzeloader: Where and How Did CWD Originate? The origin of CWD is unknown, and it may never be possible to definitively determine how or when CWD arose.
So it's always been there or it was created sometime before 1967. Either way the impact is very little to none. CWD is nothing but anti hunter created fear factor.
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