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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 11:17:56 GMT -5
They are a dime a dozen.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 14, 2019 11:59:19 GMT -5
Maybe in a FEW areas...differently not statewide by any means! The DNR has had very few nuisance permits requested. |
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Feb 14, 2019 12:44:59 GMT -5
You fellas down there sure see a lot of cats. I thought we have a decent population but I seldom hear of anyone seeing them. I've only seen 1 in all the years I've been here that I was not hunting or trapped. I bet if they started being hunted, we'd see a lot fewer. The ones I see do not act skittish of people at all. They'll avoid you, but don't really ever seem startled or run. |
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Post by greghopper on Feb 14, 2019 12:55:25 GMT -5
You fellas down there sure see a lot of cats. I thought we have a decent population but I seldom hear of anyone seeing them. I've only seen 1 in all the years I've been here that I was not hunting or trapped. I bet if they started being hunted, we'd see a lot fewer. The ones I see do not act skittish of people at all. They'll avoid you, but don't really ever seem startled or run. So you think we need a "HUNTING" & trapping season vs just a trapping? |
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Feb 14, 2019 13:34:40 GMT -5
I bet if they started being hunted, we'd see a lot fewer. The ones I see do not act skittish of people at all. They'll avoid you, but don't really ever seem startled or run. So you think we need a "HUNTING" & trapping season vs just a trapping? I think that if the DNR feels that the population can sustain it in certain counties, which the DNR seems to believe, they should open it to hunting and trapping. I would expect trappers to have much more success than hunters, especially if season was not concurrent with deer firearms seasons. What the mechanics of that would be, quotas, etc. I do not know. I don't expect this to actually happen anytime soon after the DNR backed down on the issue last year, which is a shame IMO. If the population is believed to be recovered then we should regain the privilege of hunting them, even if they are cute and fuzzy. As far as them not being skittish, I think it's because they rarely have any negative experiences around people. The coyotes at Crane act the same way, just not much fear. There are even signs up saying not to feed the coyotes. It's common to see them walking down sidewalks/etc. in the daylight. Off base, where coyotes get shot at year-round, they're behavior is totally different. |
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Post by greghopper on Feb 15, 2019 9:53:43 GMT -5
I personally will never back a HUNTING season for them unless it is proven that trapping is not reducing their population!
Shooting holes in their hides will lesson the quality which shouldn't happen unless they become a nuisance....IMO
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Post by esshup on Feb 15, 2019 10:08:39 GMT -5
I personally will never back a HUNTING season for them unless it is proven that trapping is not reducing their population! Shooting holes in their hides will lesson the quality which shouldn't happen unless they become a nuisance....IMO Small hole in one side gets sewn up. Trappers in Alaska and Canada shoot wolves that are in traps (not snares). Colorado has no trapping seasons unless you consider live traps. ALL furbearers are shot there. I talked to a local there when I was Mule Deer hunting that specialized in shooting beavers. He sells their pelts. Greg, how much will a sewn up hole in the pelt devaluate it? |
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Post by greghopper on Feb 15, 2019 10:48:34 GMT -5
It all depends on what size gun is use and how shots taken and location of shot.... in no way will most cats will be shot with a small caliber gun and only shot one while hunting them. Trapping yes!
BTW..... shooting game in cages and traps is not same as hunting and shooting in the wild unless the game is treed.
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Post by budd on Feb 15, 2019 11:18:41 GMT -5
I personally will never back a HUNTING season for them unless it is proven that trapping is not reducing their population! Shooting holes in their hides will lesson the quality which shouldn't happen unless they become a nuisance....IMO One way to further separate the sportsmen!!! |
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Post by budd on Feb 15, 2019 11:21:31 GMT -5
I got the same price for my trapped cats dispatched using a choke pole as I did the cats I shot in front of the hounds with #3 copper coated.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 15, 2019 11:31:02 GMT -5
I got the same price for my trapped cats dispatched using a choke pole as I did the cats I shot in front of the hounds with #3 copper coated. I am sure that would be the case for some here and depending on how the market is! Did get what you think was top dollar for your hides? |
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Post by budd on Feb 15, 2019 11:54:21 GMT -5
Yes I did, for our cats. When I sale it's nose count. We have a less desirable cat, grey with not so great spots.
I will say this, please dont be one of those that wish to separate sportsmen any further. I think everyone should have a fair chance at being involved with a harvest, hunters, trappers, hound hunters. We all love our way of harvesting just as much as the next guy. We are all SPORTSMEN, to keep our rites/privileges we must stand as one.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 15, 2019 11:55:35 GMT -5
I personally will never back a HUNTING season for them unless it is proven that trapping is not reducing their population! Shooting holes in their hides will lesson the quality which shouldn't happen unless they become a nuisance....IMO One way to further separate the sportsmen!!! I personally believe the trappers of the state have earned the right of first chances if a season is established. If they can't reduce the numbers then move to hunting them as I previously stated. |
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 15, 2019 12:00:14 GMT -5
Just give me one chance to get a full mount and I’m done.
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Post by budd on Feb 15, 2019 12:34:53 GMT -5
One way to further separate the sportsmen!!! I personally believe the trappers of the state have earned the right of first chances if a season is established. If they can't reduce the numbers then move to hunting them as I previously stated. Just curiose how trappers have earned the right more so than hunter, hound hunters dollars? I say that because us trappers are a dying breed and are far fewer than hunters who buy licences, and contribute moneys to the wildlife. I'm a trapper, have trapped MANY cats, have hounded MANY cats. Have turned loose and left in a tree MANY cats. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 15, 2019 13:08:11 GMT -5
I personally believe the trappers of the state have earned the right of first chances if a season is established. If they can't reduce the numbers then move to hunting them as I previously stated. Just curiose how trappers have earned the right more so than hunter, hound hunters dollars? I say that because us trappers are a dying breed and are far fewer than hunters who buy licences, and contribute moneys to the wildlife. I'm a trapper, have trapped MANY cats, have hounded MANY cats. Have turned loose and left in a tree MANY cats. Agreed...Enough dividing hunters..... However, I would like to see the cat season in at a time when there is no firearm deer season. IOW - varmint hunters are out hunting the cats and coyotes and they are not just a target of opportunity for deer hunters. I'm not sure the original DNR proposal allowed using dogs? |
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Post by firstwd on Feb 15, 2019 21:27:26 GMT -5
You fellas down there sure see a lot of cats. I thought we have a decent population but I seldom hear of anyone seeing them. I've only seen 1 in all the years I've been here that I was not hunting or trapped. I believe our habitats are vastly different. We have decent sized pockets of big woods, but mostly it's broken wood lots, ag fields, and creek bottoms. Our cats have less expansive places to live, more open areas to cross, and less dense areas to hide. |
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Post by greghopper on Feb 15, 2019 22:47:46 GMT -5
Just curiose how trappers have earned the right more so than hunter, hound hunters dollars? I say that because us trappers are a dying breed and are far fewer than hunters who buy licences, and contribute moneys to the wildlife. I'm a trapper, have trapped MANY cats, have hounded MANY cats. Have turned loose and left in a tree MANY cats. Agreed...Enough dividing hunters..... However, I would like to see the cat season in at a time when there is no firearm deer season. IOW - varmint hunters are out hunting the cats and coyotes and they are not just a target of opportunity for deer hunters. I'm not sure the original DNR proposal allowed using dogs? It didn't say yes or no for dogs but I think dogs are allowed for any furbearer in Indiana. Personally I don't believe we will ever get a Bobcat season until they become a nuisance like the Otter did! |
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Post by esshup on Feb 15, 2019 22:51:37 GMT -5
In Colorado, calling cats in at night is the way they hunt them. Other than dogs that is. But they have much more land to run dogs on than is available here in Indiana, both BLM and large ranches.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 15, 2019 23:15:27 GMT -5
Yeah running cats with dogs in Indiana might be a challenge unless you got permission on a large tract of land.
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