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Post by greghopper on Jul 26, 2017 6:42:42 GMT -5
And safer as it should be...Drivers don't have to die for the racing to be good..... at least not in my world of racing!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 6:51:03 GMT -5
The cars for sure are a lot better today with better technology and safer, but they could go faster if there was a track for them to race on and teams to create that horsepower. Just think there would be big V8's or V12's today with today electronics and fine laser machining. Who know how fast these car would be today. Who's know's what technology has been lost with these slow cars.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 7:00:56 GMT -5
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Post by nfalls116 on Jul 26, 2017 7:04:55 GMT -5
I'm talking ratings being way down part. Especially as compared to other sports.
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Post by greghopper on Jul 26, 2017 7:24:32 GMT -5
The cars for sure are a lot better today with better technology and safer, but they could go faster if there was a track for them to race on and teams to create that horsepower. Just think there would be big V8's or V12's today with today electronics and fine laser machining. Who know how fast these car would be today. Who's know's what technology has been lost with these slow cars. Would you and your family set on the front row seats at Daytona or Talladagea if the would let the cars go faster? Fans don't need to die also for racing to be good!
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Post by (Not Ronald) Reagan on Jul 26, 2017 8:06:23 GMT -5
NASCAR biggest mistake was restricting cars and not building better courses. They did in the old days when they had wooden tracks, then bigger asphalt tracks, but they stopped at that. Tracks today should be 2 plus miles and speeds over 300. Agreed, they should be and could be. It's designed to push the laws and ideas we know and are familiar with. Why was Richard Petty so dominant? Not many people were big enough to go around the track as fast as he did back in the day. I never got to see that and all I can do is watch what footage remains from it, but it interests me far more than what's out now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 8:11:18 GMT -5
Dug some stuff up.
NASCAR drivers have died at Daytona International Speedway, more than any other circuit. Maybe some of the deaths are the tracks and not 100% the speed and or the car. We need better race tracks to allow safer faster cars with new and better technology.
Look at drag racing. 335 miles per hour Top Fuel dragsters are the quickest accelerating racing vehicles in the world and the fastest sanctioned category of drag racers, with the fastest competitors reaching speeds of 335 miles per hour (539 km/h) and finishing the 1,000 foot (305 m) runs in 3.7 seconds.
Continue to push the limit and with better safety. NASCAR needs to look at that program.
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Post by greghopper on Jul 26, 2017 8:36:16 GMT -5
Apples & Oranges when comparing .....
You didn't answer the question..... would you and your family sit in the front row seats if they would increase the speed of the cars from what we have now?
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Post by swilk on Jul 26, 2017 8:42:42 GMT -5
NHRA shortened the fuel cars from 1320 to 1000' because of safety. Cars continued to make more and more power while still staying within the rules so the answer was to shorten the tracks.
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Post by (Not Ronald) Reagan on Jul 26, 2017 8:56:28 GMT -5
Apples & Oranges when comparing ..... You didn't answer the question..... would you and your family sit in the front row seats if they would increase the speed of the cars from what we have now? Who wants to sit in the front anyway??? Literally the worst seats 😂
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Post by featherduster on Jul 26, 2017 8:57:28 GMT -5
NHRA goes straight in a single lane with guard rails on each side of the cars,Nascar makes turns and passes sometimes 3-4 abreast.
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Post by nfalls116 on Jul 26, 2017 9:07:15 GMT -5
So you dug up that NASCAR people die? But nothing about p and g or ratings?? Which argument are you even trying to go with? It's hard to respond when you are all over the place.
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Post by Russ Koon on Jul 26, 2017 11:43:05 GMT -5
IMO, there are several avenues that could be explored.
Personally, I think the speeds have again gone beyond being an attraction and become a net detraction from the sport's public acceptance and popularity. I've watched and read about it in Hot Rod magazine coverage since the early days. However, it began to lose as much attention for me when the aerodynamics involved became increasingly important. As the "cars" gradually became closer to low-flying planes, and a minor paint-swapping incident became a multi-car pileup that collected a third of the field, the thing that could have fixed it before it was completely broken was ignored in favor the more popular response of higher catch fences and mandatory mandatory head restraints, etc., and a "faster is better" mentality.
Some of the best actual racing that showed driver skill in both car handling and strategy that I ever saw was in the much slower IROC series, with shorter races, in actual stock cars of identical make and model with only the necessary modifications for safety. I don't think it was any accident that Mark Martin pretty much dominated the results in that series, without running away and making any of the races a fast parade like so many of the cup races turned into. And those IROC cars were much more rigidly inspected and regimented than the cup cars. The current manufacturer's "race" is as fake as the door handles and tail lights on the cup cars, with NO actual parts being transferrable to your street car of the same make.
Have there been safety improvements due to the speeds? Sure! But most if not all of them could have and should have come about even without the rising speeds giving their inclusion into the rules more importance....partly as an excuse to further delay the answer that was there all the time, but was ignored by choice....slow 'em down again, Bubba!
Of course, I'm an old curmudgeon now and would also like to see NASCAR put the brakes on at least one more egregious hiking of their leg to demonstrate their real view of the environment and all who are concerned about it, the "burn 'em down" burnout at the end. With absolutely nothing to be gained by it, except to teach the pre-pubescent fans how much fun it is to smoke up a couple acres of our atmosphere with smelly smoke, they celebrate a win (in the "environmentally conscious" NASCAR of the solar panels on the garage roof and the use of corn-based ethanol)! Wow. I'm impressed. I have seen a few drivers choose instead to make a much more responsible and IMO more traditional, victory lap without doing the smokefest that shows the real concern level of NASCAR. It still works just fine, that way.
And as a regular viewer, although now it's more frequently on the recorded and delayed race so I could actually spend more of my time on something else, Ill include two more opinions.
One is that the "driver's view" image that they are so proud of and want to show us so often....sucks! It did have some value to show us the actual extremely limited view of the surroundings that the driver has, and probably has its place among the pre-race singing and dancing or as another "interesting sidelight" during a long yellow, but most of us who are watching on our 50" HD screens didn't tune in to see the extremely limited and much smaller view between commercials during actual racing.
And the other is that it's time for at least another adjustment or two in the booth. I do like Kyle Petty and Jeff Burton as far as I know on the personal level and respect their knowledge as drivers, but there's something about their combined non-stop stream of blather that just doesn't work! Makes me homesick for just a little of the dreaded "dead air time" that we used to get on occasion. I was actually looking for the radio we used to have around here somewhere on Sunday afternoon to see if we could just turn down the sound and watch the televised version and hear the radio version the way we used to for basketball games when Dick Vitale was announcing.
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Post by greghopper on Jul 26, 2017 14:09:34 GMT -5
Your input/viewpoint is refreshing Russ .... Thanks
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Post by (Not Ronald) Reagan on Jul 26, 2017 14:37:06 GMT -5
Best news for NASCAR in months... Penske is adding Ryan Blaney and a third car
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Post by featherduster on Jul 26, 2017 16:08:44 GMT -5
The best news for NASCAR would be if someone offers Christoper Bell a ride.
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Post by (Not Ronald) Reagan on Jul 26, 2017 17:37:07 GMT -5
The best news for NASCAR would be if someone offers Christoper Bell a ride. Or William Byron
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Post by nfalls116 on Jul 26, 2017 17:39:44 GMT -5
The best news for NASCAR would be if someone offers Christoper Bell a ride. Or William Byron Or Ryan Blaney
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Post by firstwd on Jul 26, 2017 17:55:09 GMT -5
The best news for NASCAR would be if someone offers Christoper Bell a ride. Or William Byron He's under contract with Hendrick
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Post by (Not Ronald) Reagan on Jul 26, 2017 18:03:52 GMT -5
He's under contract with Hendrick Not for Cup? He races Xfinity for Jr motosports, is he under some kind of developmental contract with them?
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