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Post by bill9068 on Jun 16, 2017 14:45:31 GMT -5
This may have been covered already but can someone tell me how to control weeds in a clover foodplot? I planted about 5-6 weeks ago and turned the dirt after killing weeds then planted, my wife comes from a farm family and said not to disk again after spraying the weeds but I never listen according to her and probably should have in this case. My plan is to bushhog just over the clover to kill the weeds and let the clover fill in. Should I also reseed?
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jun 16, 2017 15:20:55 GMT -5
Nothing to worry about; you can fix it.
One error I made on my first plot was that I waited too long to actually plant after killing the vegetation. Weeds came back up ...different ones, but they came up thick.
I think there is a little bit of chicory in the mix. Well, I didn't know what that looked like, so I ignored a weed that had just about taken over. Not much clover could even be seen. I mowed the whole plot and sprayed a mix of the broadleaf killer and grass killer, both were sold by Whitetail. I bought mine from Amazon. Also purchased the oil that needed to be added to the mix. I waited one week after mowing before spraying just to get a little growth for more coverage on the plant.
Three weeks later, clover was the only thing growing. It's beautiful now, and very thick. It's a resilient plant.
I'll look up the stuff I bought. I was afraid to put any grass or weed killer on it.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jun 16, 2017 15:23:27 GMT -5
Here they are:
Whitetail Institute Arrest Max Grass Food Plot Herbicide, 1 Pint Sold by: Amazon.com LLC $39.59
Whitetail Institute Sure-Fire Seed Oil Plus Food Plot Herbicide, 1 Pint $9.99
Whitetail Institute Slay Herbacide 4oz Food Plot controller Sold by: Amazon.com LLC $55.74
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Post by bill9068 on Jun 16, 2017 16:34:38 GMT -5
Thanks Dennis, I'll check with my local farm store to see if they carry it or something similar.
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Post by parrothead on Jun 17, 2017 6:42:03 GMT -5
Look at Keystone Pest Solutions. Then see what they recommend if you cant find it local then get it from them. Cheaper than Whitetail I.
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Post by steiny on Jun 19, 2017 7:56:09 GMT -5
Biggest problem I have in my clover plots is the grasses wanting to take over. A routine treatment with Clethium sprayed on about once a year does the trick. This product is available at just about any farm store like Rural King. Just follow the directions for mixing with water.
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Post by bill9068 on Jun 19, 2017 18:45:22 GMT -5
Biggest problem I have in my clover plots is the grasses wanting to take over. A routine treatment with Clethium sprayed on about once a year does the trick. This product is available at just about any farm store like Rural King. Just follow the directions for mixing with water. Thank you sir, I have a rural king 2 miles from my house.
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Post by tynimiller on Jun 20, 2017 7:15:04 GMT -5
bill is a pure clover plot?
I do clover/chicory blends which means my main prevention of take over is mowing however, I also don't fear weed inclusion in the plots like many due to how beneficial they are and at times are more palatable and have higher nutritional stats like crude protein levels at certain times of the year.
If weeds are truly taking over, like over 30% of what you see than I'd do as the others have said for sure...and plan on overseeding in the fall into the standing plot...those seeds will not do much this year but in the standing understory they will take hold and next spring is when your overseeding will really take hold. I would do that if really thin...if decent I'd wait and just over seed chicory this fall and save overseeding clover for frost seeding before spring thaw the following spring...frost seeding is to me the best way to really get clover back into a thinned plot without starting from scratch with a fall cereal grain/clover planting than frost seeding in spring.
GL
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Post by tynimiller on Jun 20, 2017 7:16:20 GMT -5
Biggest problem I have in my clover plots is the grasses wanting to take over. A routine treatment with Clethium sprayed on about once a year does the trick. This product is available at just about any farm store like Rural King. Just follow the directions for mixing with water. I am terrible at telling grasses apart but trying to learn...native grasses I wouldn't worry about...now if it is fescue or brohm (sp not sure) sure stuff does nothing for the deer and is just contributing nothing.
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Post by steiny on Jun 20, 2017 7:57:32 GMT -5
I am terrible at telling grasses apart but trying to learn...native grasses I wouldn't worry about...now if it is fescue or brohm (sp not sure) sure stuff does nothing for the deer and is just contributing nothing.
Clover is a Legume which generates Nitrogen and all grasses crave nitrogen, native or whatever type. You want your clover plots as grass free as possible to keep it healthy. Leave it alone for long and the grasses will invade. Selective spraying kills the grasses and periodic mowing helps the clover thicken up and choke out grasses and other undesirables.
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Post by tynimiller on Jun 20, 2017 8:40:31 GMT -5
I am terrible at telling grasses apart but trying to learn...native grasses I wouldn't worry about...now if it is fescue or brohm (sp not sure) sure stuff does nothing for the deer and is just contributing nothing.Clover is a Legume which generates Nitrogen and all grasses crave nitrogen, native or whatever type. You want your clover plots as grass free as possible to keep it healthy. Leave it alone for long and the grasses will invade. Selective spraying kills the grasses and periodic mowing helps the clover thicken up and choke out grasses and other undesirables. Again some native grasses and "weeds" are more palatable and have better nutrients for the deer at certain times of the year than the clover plots everyone thinks has to be purely clover. Mowing ours has always controlled weeds/grasses just fine and if spots get bad I just spot spray however, it has to get overrun for me personally.
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Post by steiny on Jun 20, 2017 9:46:31 GMT -5
Guess I have more of a gardener / farmer mentality, I want clean plots. If I plant beans, clover, turnips or whatever, I don't want a bunch of weeds and grass growing in it taking nutrients that plots need to be the best they can. Plenty of places besides my plots that the deer can find various weeds and grasses to munch on.
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Post by bill9068 on Jun 20, 2017 14:28:49 GMT -5
My plots are pure white clover. The weeds are getting about 18 inches tall in spots and the clover is only 3-4 inches so far. I ordered some clethium online and will buy the mixture to stick to plants from rural king. From what I've read this should work well. I'll take a picture of before and after to document. Thanks for all the help and advice.
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Post by throbak on Jun 20, 2017 18:27:20 GMT -5
You get more shot opportunities in a weedy plot a clean plot the deer step in it and start eating A weedy plot they move around more looking for the best stuff thus more and better shots
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Post by greghopper on Jun 20, 2017 18:47:47 GMT -5
You get more shot opportunities in a weedy plot a clean plot the deer step in it and start eating A weedy plot they move around more looking for the best stuff thus more and better shots Great point....
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jun 20, 2017 19:47:57 GMT -5
You get more shot opportunities in a weedy plot a clean plot the deer step in it and start eating A weedy plot they move around more looking for the best stuff thus more and better shots That throbak knows stuff!
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Post by steiny on Jun 21, 2017 7:46:40 GMT -5
You get more shot opportunities in a weedy plot a clean plot the deer step in it and start eating A weedy plot they move around more looking for the best stuff thus more and better shots Could be some truth to this? I'd just assume have a big plot of food, rather than go through all that work preparing ground, fertilizing, etc. to grow weeds where food could be growing. Sprayed my clover yesterday.
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Post by boonechaser on Jun 21, 2017 9:35:50 GMT -5
I use a product a Fusiludge (Not sure spelling) It is good for alfalfa and clover to kill grass. $70 for a gallon. I like to keep my clover plots grass and weed free to help add lifespan to the plot/field. Another tip I read years ago for clover and alfalfa plots/fields. Once a season let plants go to late bloom stage/seed stage before mowing or cutting. Then mow which you are actually reseeding the plot or field. With my white clover plots this means waiting until heads start to turn from white to brown.
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Post by tynimiller on Jun 21, 2017 10:04:58 GMT -5
You get more shot opportunities in a weedy plot a clean plot the deer step in it and start eating A weedy plot they move around more looking for the best stuff thus more and better shots Could be some truth to this? I'd just assume have a big plot of food, rather than go through all that work preparing ground, fertilizing, etc. to grow weeds where food could be growing. Sprayed my clover yesterday. The issue a lot of folks have is what actually truly is a weed? Is a weed anything you did not plant OR is it anything that is of no beneficial value to the deer you are attempting to feed? If it is the latter than one must truly re-shape their thought process of what defines as a weed...goldenrod is a great example. In the springtime when it is young, you will be hard pressed to find a better plant for the deer on some properties.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Jun 21, 2017 10:07:28 GMT -5
Could be some truth to this? I'd just assume have a big plot of food, rather than go through all that work preparing ground, fertilizing, etc. to grow weeds where food could be growing. Sprayed my clover yesterday. The issue a lot of folks have is what actually truly is a weed? Is a weed anything you did not plant OR is it anything that is of no beneficial value to the deer you are attempting to feed? If it is the latter than one must truly re-shape their thought process of what defines as a weed...goldenrod is a great example. In the springtime when it is young, you will be hard pressed to find a better plant for the deer on some properties. Oh man, I certainly have trouble with this. I do know what clover looks like, and corn, but struggle with everything else. Whatever my weed was, it was hardy and much taller than the clover. Hard to find a weed in it now. In my yard, clover is a weed.
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