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Post by scrub-buster on Oct 15, 2016 20:04:43 GMT -5
Any updates on the deer recovery?
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Post by bill9068 on Oct 15, 2016 20:16:34 GMT -5
I wish I knew, talked to the landowner and he did not seem to have a problem with the hunter recovering his kill. Have not heard from anyone since yesterday.
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Post by wesb81219 on Oct 15, 2016 20:56:26 GMT -5
This is a very interesting thread, I just read it for first time. I really hope everything turned out in your favor. With the wanton waste law I feel that if a land owner does not want strangers on their property it should be mandatory that the land owner must allow a co to aid in the recovery of downed game. If I owned such a property I would NEVER have a problem allowing a co to assist in recovery. For that matter I would offer my personal assistance in the recovery.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 15, 2016 21:04:30 GMT -5
This is a very interesting thread, I just read it for first time. I really hope everything turned out in your favor. With the wanton waste law I feel that if a land owner does not want strangers on their property it should be mandatory that the land owner must allow a co to aid in the recovery of downed game. If I owned such a property I would NEVER have a problem allowing a co to assist in recovery. For that matter I would offer my personal assistance in the recovery. This is a seeming rare instance these days where property owners rights actually prevail.
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Post by wesb81219 on Oct 15, 2016 21:17:43 GMT -5
I don't own but a little over a half acre. However I do respect and understand and support land owners rights. However a BIG but, in the case of recovering downed game. It's not about someone recovering their trophy, or first kill or whatever the case may be. It's about not letting a natural resource a source of providing food for one's family go to waste . Hunting goes way back to the beginning of mankind and in most cases had been utilized to support life. Like I said it's not about the trophy. It's about history, it's about a way and a means of life. I may be a beginner hunter but I'm very passionate about hunting and everything it means and stands for. Our ancestors would never have made it and we would not be without this way of life. I have said it before and I'll say it again my only regret in my life is that I did not pursue this way of life many years ago. I LOVE this way of life and I LOVE everything it means and stands for.
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Post by bill9068 on Oct 15, 2016 21:39:07 GMT -5
Ok, I called Jordan the hunter who shot the buck, he told me that he was not allowed to look for his deer on the property. He said the owner Tim said he had that parcel leased out to a hunter who saw Jordan on camera and was ed off Jordan was on his leased property. The landowner Tim did look for the deer for Jordan yesterday and today according to Jordan. This really es me off as I thought Tim would let Jordan find his buck. Jordan is taking this better than I would have. I can see it both ways but it would have been easy for the landowner to meet Jordan at the site and accompanied him on the search.
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Post by wesb81219 on Oct 15, 2016 21:49:16 GMT -5
See this exactly what has obviously gone wrong with the leasing of land for hunting. It's all about the money someone is making and spending. This hunter and the deer are lost at the expense of someone's dollar bill. Just a shame to say the least.
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Post by nfalls116 on Oct 15, 2016 21:51:32 GMT -5
All in all if I'm paying for a lease and I catch you on it I will be upset too
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Oct 15, 2016 21:58:29 GMT -5
That fella may need to cross the fence one of these days. Karma usually has a way of biting you in the backside.
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Post by wesb81219 on Oct 15, 2016 22:03:14 GMT -5
All in all if I'm paying for a lease and I catch you on it I will be upset too I get it, the guy is paying for the right to be on that land. But come on you would think as a hunter himself he would understand the circumstances.
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Post by greghopper on Oct 15, 2016 22:19:15 GMT -5
All in all if I'm paying for a lease and I catch you on it I will be upset too I get it, the guy is paying for the right to be on that land. But come on you would think as a hunter himself he would understand the circumstances. I am sure there's more detail to all this then what has been posted ..... Two sides to every story! What one can learn from this is how important it is to know you neighbors.....
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Post by wesb81219 on Oct 15, 2016 22:23:09 GMT -5
I get it, the guy is paying for the right to be on that land. But come on you would think as a hunter himself he would understand the circumstances. I am sure there's more detail to all this then what has been posted ..... Two sides to every story! What one can learn from this is how important it is to know you neighbors..... True enough
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Post by nfalls116 on Oct 15, 2016 22:32:37 GMT -5
I should probably add that it would be easy to accuse someone of being on the property if you weren't asked to produce evidence
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Post by duff on Oct 16, 2016 1:05:04 GMT -5
I get it, the guy is paying for the right to be on that land. But come on you would think as a hunter himself he would understand the circumstances. I am sure there's more detail to all this then what has been posted ..... Two sides to every story! What one can learn from this is how important it is to know you neighbors..... exactly. Sad thing is most who will not allow a neighbor on to retrieve game is a deer hunter as well. not always but majority of the time.
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Post by drs on Oct 16, 2016 4:46:15 GMT -5
I am sure there's more detail to all this then what has been posted ..... Two sides to every story! What one can learn from this is how important it is to know you neighbors..... exactly. Sad thing is most who will not allow a neighbor on to retrieve game is a deer hunter as well. not always but majority of the time. When I lived north of Evansville, back in 2006 during the archery season, a similar occurrence happen to me. A Bow Hunter, hunting on our neighbors property, shot a nice Buck that ran onto my property. He had to go to work and didn't have time to look for the Buck, so he called me about his situation, and I told him I would look for it on my 15 acre, and call him if I found it. He returned and we, with the help of his Father-in-law, and my Brother looked for about 1 1/2 hours for his Buck. We finally found him all tangled up in Honeysuckle; we got him out and I helped field dress him and load him up in the Hunters truck, shake hands with the Hunter, and off he went. I would never deny a Hunter, who calls me about this situation, to retrieve his harvest if it happens to be on my property.
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Post by duff on Oct 16, 2016 5:10:20 GMT -5
me either DRS
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Post by span870 on Oct 16, 2016 5:32:10 GMT -5
The question that needs to be asked is was he spotted on the land by the guy that leases the land before or after he asked for permission? If before, I think the lessee had every right to be upset, if after than he doesn't. Two sides to every story. I may be off base, but someone that hunts usually doesn't have a problem with someone recovering a deer that came onto a property that they hunt as long as it's clear cut that the animal was shot on the other property.
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Post by duff on Oct 16, 2016 7:57:43 GMT -5
I agree on the 2 sides and only hearing one side is a biased story no doubt. But when u hear of people getting denied it is many times by other deer hunters period. May be justified or not just my experience.
Personally I have had people that made sure my permission was strictly to track that deer that day. I respect boundries and have never had issues tracking across property lines but know personnally other incidents of such. Could be the land owners are justified or could be they feel like they are the next Lee and Tiffany with their land management.
I am all for property owner rights. I don't have to let anyone on my land. To track a deer, retrieve a dog, to hunt mushrooms but if you ask probably wouldn't care until you mess up. Maybe that is what happened here.
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Post by johnc911 on Oct 16, 2016 11:36:54 GMT -5
Okay im confused so the kid that killed the deer was not allowed to search because they had him on a trail camera on the property in question ? if so then he trespassed and i would not be happy either.
Someone tell me if im misunderstanding this ?
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Post by bill9068 on Oct 16, 2016 11:57:11 GMT -5
All I can tell you is what I was told by the hunter who shot the buck, I have not called the landowner back to see if the story I was told checks out. Yes they have the hunter on camera according to the hunter looking for a blood trail? I dont know if it was before or after the deer was shot but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. Could be a lot more we do not know, I know the area being hunted, never hunted there but it big dollar country. The area we live in out here is where Steve Chancellor lives, he's the guy who has dinner parties with Presidents and movie stars so you get the idea of big dollar, just had Trump here this summer. There are a couple of 100 acre plots out here owned by individuals who do not hunt and will not allow hunting. I'm gonna remove myself from situation because I don't know who's right or wrong, I just hope it all gets resolved.
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