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Post by boman on Mar 25, 2016 11:38:00 GMT -5
Knowing Doug he would not state an untrue position of any group he is speaking for. Now whether he was saying this as the spokesperson for the group or whether the author just threw that in is an unanswered question. I do know that the President of the IDHA, Joe Bacon, has stated publically in favor of HPRs.. Thanx Woody. I have been aware of both Joe's and Doug's positions on highpower rifles all along. I also suspect that because they disagreed there was no position established by the Ind deer hunters assoc. I will state that Doug testified to the NRC last year against the DNR's hpr proposal using the same arguments, safety, decimation of the herd "kill them all" etc.. Now you tell me the DNR and or NRC didn't perceive a "position" by the Ind deer hunters assoc. Remember he is recognized as "the spokesperson for the Association". Just sayin---Steve
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Post by steiny on Mar 25, 2016 11:51:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm in northern part of state, flat ground, not much timber. You can get 3-400 yard shots here and you can bet the orange army will be all over it.
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Post by drs on Mar 25, 2016 11:52:44 GMT -5
Knowing Doug he would not state an untrue position of any group he is speaking for. Now whether he was saying this as the spokesperson for the group or whether the author just threw that in is an unanswered question. I do know that the President of the IDHA, Joe Bacon, has stated publically in favor of HPRs.. I remember that Joe Bacon, when we were all discussing the legalization of P.C.R. in Indiana for Deer Hunting, back several years ago. Also remember the nasty "PM's" and e-mails I received from this Joe Bacon, and from another forum member "Gundude". I was banned over on "Hoosier Hunting" for my views supporting the legalization of P.C.R.'s, BUT the joke was on them as nearly ALL forum members agreed with legalizing P.C.R.'s I never mentioned the use/legalization of high powered rifles like .308's or .30-06 rifles in Indiana.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 25, 2016 12:04:54 GMT -5
Knowing Doug he would not state an untrue position of any group he is speaking for. Now whether he was saying this as the spokesperson for the group or whether the author just threw that in is an unanswered question. I do know that the President of the IDHA, Joe Bacon, has stated publically in favor of HPRs.. Thanx Woody. I have been aware of both Joe's and Doug's positions on highpower rifles all along. I also suspect that because they disagreed there was no position established by the Ind deer hunters assoc. I will state that Doug testified to the NRC last year against the DNR's hpr proposal using the same arguments, safety, decimation of the herd "kill them all" etc.. Now you tell me the DNR and or NRC didn't perceive a "position" by the Ind deer hunters assoc. Remember he is recognized as "the spokesperson for the Association". Just sayin---Steve When Doug spoke at the meeting he didn't say he was speaking for any group.... They always ask people to say if there speaking for a group!
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 25, 2016 12:08:15 GMT -5
Knowing Doug he would not state an untrue position of any group he is speaking for. Now whether he was saying this as the spokesperson for the group or whether the author just threw that in is an unanswered question. I do know that the President of the IDHA, Joe Bacon, has stated publically in favor of HPRs.. Thanx Woody. I have been aware of both Joe's and Doug's positions on highpower rifles all along. I also suspect that because they disagreed there was no position established by the Ind deer hunters assoc. I will state that Doug testified to the NRC last year against the DNR's hpr proposal using the same arguments, safety, decimation of the herd "kill them all" etc.. Now you tell me the DNR and or NRC didn't perceive a "position" by the Ind deer hunters assoc. Remember he is recognized as "the spokesperson for the Association". Just sayin---Steve The question in this article is WHO stated that. I'm guessing that the author just put that in to throw more weight behind his article. Input on the HPR proposal is in the public domain. I do not recall an official position/input by the IDHA. I cold be wrong on that though. I'm saying that Doug is honest as the day is long and he would not say that the IDHA held a certain position unless they actually did. Fact... .
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Post by greghopper on Mar 25, 2016 12:08:20 GMT -5
Knowing Doug he would not state an untrue position of any group he is speaking for. Now whether he was saying this as the spokesperson for the group or whether the author just threw that in is an unanswered question. I do know that the President of the IDHA, Joe Bacon, has stated publically in favor of HPRs.. I remember that Joe Bacon, when we were all discussing the legalization of P.C.R. in Indiana for Deer Hunting, back several years ago.  Also remember the nasty "PM's" and e-mails I received from this Joe Bacon, and from another forum member "Gundude".  I was banned over on "Hoosier Hunting" for my views supporting the legalization of P.C.R.'s, BUT the joke was on them as nearly ALL forum members agreed with legalizing P.C.R.'s  I never mentioned the use/legalization of high powered rifles like .308's or .30-06 rifles in Indiana. Hold on.... Gundude was pro PCR from all I ever seen.... So let speak the truth unless you got facts to back it up!! R.I.P. GunDude..
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Post by sakorifle on Mar 25, 2016 12:18:21 GMT -5
greetings Flat ground is not a major problem Idiots on flat ground is going to be the problem, the bullet will pass through and hit the dirt within feet off the target. That is why i always say use a sensible calibre and light bullets, big calibers and heay bullets will pass through with litte deformation and loss of energy with a much bigger risk of bouncing. look iv done it for 44yrs on an island smaller than washington state, its possible with common sense.
There is quaolified people shooting foxes in london at night granted it is usually a 22rf with fast ammo. but they are doing it in folks gardens.
Shoot standing from sticks, never ever shoot uphill, if need be put a portable nine foot high seat up against a tree and shoot downhill. Off course people are going to be scared, its something new, its up to the shooting community to prove them wrong for heaven sake dont prove them right or the idea is sunk. Regards Billy
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Post by boman on Mar 25, 2016 12:46:59 GMT -5
Thanx Woody. I have been aware of both Joe's and Doug's positions on highpower rifles all along. I also suspect that because they disagreed there was no position established by the Ind deer hunters assoc. I will state that Doug testified to the NRC last year against the DNR's hpr proposal using the same arguments, safety, decimation of the herd "kill them all" etc.. Now you tell me the DNR and or NRC didn't perceive a "position" by the Ind deer hunters assoc. Remember he is recognized as "the spokesperson for the Association". Just sayin---Steve When Doug spoke at the meeting he didn't say he was speaking for any group.... They always ask people to say if there speaking for a group! Glad you guys cleared that up. Like I originally said,"I suspect Doug was speaking for Doug".
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Post by M4Madness on Mar 25, 2016 12:55:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm in northern part of state, flat ground, not much timber. You can get 3-400 yard shots here and you can bet the orange army will be all over it. I figured by your description that you were. Here's a photo of the farms I hunt here around my house. My house is pretty much in the center of this photo (Those small dots are homes. Lol!) The forested areas are large and hilly. None of them are flat ground. It's a totally different world in southern Indiana. See that big white dot just to the right of center? That's a barn, and the field below it is 200 yards across. That should give reference to how large the woods are. ![](http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/Screenshot_2016-03-25-10-08-02-1_resized.png)
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Post by drs on Mar 25, 2016 13:01:35 GMT -5
I remember that Joe Bacon, when we were all discussing the legalization of P.C.R. in Indiana for Deer Hunting, back several years ago. Also remember the nasty "PM's" and e-mails I received from this Joe Bacon, and from another forum member "Gundude". I was banned over on "Hoosier Hunting" for my views supporting the legalization of P.C.R.'s, BUT the joke was on them as nearly ALL forum members agreed with legalizing P.C.R.'s I never mentioned the use/legalization of high powered rifles like .308's or .30-06 rifles in Indiana. Hold on.... Gundude was pro PCR from all I ever seen.... So let speak the truth unless you got facts to back it up!! R.I.P. GunDude.. If he was "pro-P.C.R's" then why did I receive such inflammatory "PM's" from him. The only reason, as I see it, is when Indiana passed and allowed the use of P.C.R's in 2007, he supported their use for Hunting Deer.
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Post by steiny on Mar 25, 2016 13:50:47 GMT -5
I understand, southern, IN is quite a bit different terrain. A big part of this issue in northern part of state is habitat loss due to clean farming practices. Couple this with longer seasons, more weapons choices, higher bag limits, better weapons, etc. and you wind up with the same amount or more hunters, crowded into the few available spots left, competing for less deer. It's just not as fun as it used to be, particularly when firearms season opens.
I've not liked a lot of the things they've changed, but it's not worth getting all worked up over. The majority wants "more" and "easier". I'll still hunt my back yard and occasionally it will produce a nice deer or good hunt, but the best hunting in this area is gone. I'm fortunate that I can travel to hunt, and will be hunting southern IL and KS for real quality hunting.
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Post by M4Madness on Mar 25, 2016 14:11:03 GMT -5
As you can see from my photo above, there are no crop fields to speak of near me. It's all cattle operations and horse farms.
Somebody said that Illinois had some sort of rifle bill introduced. Anyone know the specifics?
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Post by freedomhunter on Mar 25, 2016 14:12:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm in northern part of state, flat ground, not much timber. You can get 3-400 yard shots here and you can bet the orange army will be all over it. Nobody is listening for sure. Deaf ears
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Post by freedomhunter on Mar 25, 2016 14:14:51 GMT -5
I understand, southern, IN is quite a bit different terrain. A big part of this issue in northern part of state is habitat loss due to clean farming practices. Couple this with longer seasons, more weapons choices, higher bag limits, better weapons, etc. and you wind up with the same amount or more hunters, crowded into the few available spots left, competing for less deer. It's just not as fun as it used to be, particularly when firearms season opens. I've not liked a lot of the things they've changed, but it's not worth getting all worked up over. The majority wants "more" and "easier". I'll still hunt my back yard and occasionally it will produce a nice deer or good hunt, but the best hunting in this area is gone. I'm fortunate that I can travel to hunt, and will be hunting southern IL and KS for real quality hunting. Crickets.
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Post by freedomhunter on Mar 25, 2016 14:17:32 GMT -5
Only thing saving my area of parke is it is all leased up by big money and hunting show guys and guys like me that want quality
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Post by tenring on Mar 25, 2016 18:43:11 GMT -5
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Post by M4Madness on Mar 25, 2016 19:03:03 GMT -5
That was my .308 rifle that Joe was shooting while I filmed. His son uploaded the video to his Youtube account.
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Post by bartiks on Mar 25, 2016 19:25:31 GMT -5
As I have said it before there are pro's and con's to this bill. There are always going to be skeptics to this bill and a bit of cynicism surrounding it. I believe that if hunters take a sensible approach to it then there won't be any issues to it. I would like to think that hunters have to have some sort of average intelligence to go out toting a gun in the quest to put some meat in the freezer, however NOT ALL HUNTERS ARE SENSIBLE.
Shooting at a running deer, a deer that is sky lined etc. if you are hunting and you see Bullwinkle some of that common sense goes out the door, buck fever if you may. My main objection to this is if you are hunting along a field edge and you see one 400yds away and take a shot at it what will stop the bullet if you miss.
My area of hunting over the last 5 years has seen a dramatic depletion of cover for the white tail in an already sparse area of cover. In a square mile of where I hunt there has been a clearing of nearly 60 acres for increased farming, granted it doesn't sound like much, however there is no sign of them slowing down in there ever quest of getting another 2 rows of corn planted. And this is just what I can see from the road traveling to and from my area of hunting.
Thus increasing the pressure on where the deer have to go to find shelter in ever elusive pockets to find safety and in turn luring hunters towards those safe havens for deer. The long of the short gentlemen is the more urbanization that occurs the greater density of deer and deer hunters to come into contact with one another and now we are throwing the HPR into the mix, for me and my 2 pennies is just asking for something awful to happen.
If you are going to be one of those newly recruited hunters who will be packing a long gun with you this fall please exercise restraint and think what happens if I miss this wall hanger and 350 yards. Where will the bullet travel and what is behind my intended target. Best of luck to you all and please be careful out there.
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Post by M4Madness on Mar 25, 2016 20:48:52 GMT -5
What people need to consider are the ballistics of a "high-powered" rifle. This is not directed at anyone here, but I've seen lots of people who think a HPR is like a laser -- the bullet keeps flying straight as an arrow for miles until it strikes something. The reality of how it actually functions is far from that notion, considering the rainbow trajectory of a bullet.
We'll use a Remington 150-grain .308 Core-Lokt as an example, as it is probably the cheapest, off-the-shelf cartridge of that caliber, and sure to be the choice of bubbas who hit up Wal-Mart the night before firearms season. No one can argue that the most common zero by far for a HPR is 100 yards.
With a 100-yard zero, does anyone care to guess how much that bullet has dropped at 500 yards? How about 64.5 inches? That's pretty much 5 1/2 feet. So, a hunter of average height taking a level ground, offhand shot is going to see that bullet burrow into the dirt at 500 yards. If the hunter is sitting in a ground blind, we can shorten that distance to around 375 yards. That's a far cry from shooting someone at their breakfast table a mile away. To drop a bullet into the dirt at the 1000-yard mark, the hunter would have to aim about 40 FEET high. I'd like to see a hunter on flat ground miss that high to hit someone a thousand yards away, let alone a mile. So much for Indiana being too flat for HPR's.
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Post by boman on Mar 25, 2016 21:18:24 GMT -5
What people need to consider are the ballistics of a "high-powered" rifle. This is not directed at anyone here, but I've seen lots of people who think a HPR is like a laser -- the bullet keeps flying straight as an arrow for miles until it strikes something. The reality of how it actually functions is far from that notion, considering the rainbow trajectory of a bullet. We'll use a Remington 150-grain .308 Core-Lokt as an example, as it is probably the cheapest, off-the-shelf cartridge of that caliber, and sure to be the choice of bubbas who hit up Wal-Mart the night before firearms season. No one can argue that the most common zero by far for a HPR is 100 yards. With a 100-yard zero, does anyone care to guess how much that bullet has dropped at 500 yards? How about 64.5 inches? That's pretty much 5 1/2 feet. So, a hunter of average height taking a level ground, offhand shot is going to see that bullet burrow into the dirt at 500 yards. If the hunter is sitting in a ground blind, we can shorten that distance to around 375 yards. That's a far cry from shooting someone at their breakfast table a mile away. To drop a bullet into the dirt at the 1000-yard mark, the hunter would have to aim about 40 FEET high. I'd like to see a hunter on flat ground miss that high to hit someone a thousand yards away, let alone a mile. So much for Indiana being too flat for HPR's. It will only go that far if you miss Steve
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