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Post by steiny on Mar 7, 2016 11:20:02 GMT -5
Good work throback, I've been on a similar path since about 1990.
Think I'm up to about 30,000 trees planted now, have dug two ponds, 60 acres of prairie grass, tons of hinge cutting, etc.
That stinking honesuckle grows rampant around here.
I hear if you spray it at the right time of year you can effectively kill it off?
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Post by drs on Mar 7, 2016 11:41:49 GMT -5
Do you remember when the State of Indiana sold Multi-flora Rose, way back int the 1950's? It was advertised as the "Living Fence". This was one plant that REALLY got out-of-hand!! It was actually being sold by the government in the 1930's... www.nps.gov/plants/ALIEN/PUBS/MIDATLANTIC/romu.htmThanks for the info. I wasn't around in the 1930's.  But remember my Grandfather & others planting it in the 1950's. |
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Post by throbak on Mar 7, 2016 11:54:36 GMT -5
Tynimiller did you see the chickadee guide Woody posted for me I saw his presentation at the INPAWS annual meeting interesting it was really eye opening !! Any fire yet I plant the WSG just so I can burn it LOL we got 50 $ an acre to burn in one program I was in With that money I got 2 drip torches ,A  bag, picked up 5 flappers, a fire rake and a pump sprayer / chemical sprayer for my atv And Nomax all with conservation program incentives from DNR I worked 5 years with USFWS on a fire crew and found out setting fire is Fun ,fun,fun so been getting a fire base set up LOL I nod Have a35 acres And when the horses die I'll drill more Lol |
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 7, 2016 13:04:15 GMT -5
Tynimiller did you see the chickadee guide Woody posted for me I saw his presentation at the INPAWS annual meeting interesting it was really eye opening !! Any fire yet I plant the WSG just so I can burn it LOL we got 50 $ an acre to burn in one program I was in With that money I got 2 drip torches ,A bag, picked up 5 flappers, a fire rake and a pump sprayer / chemical sprayer for my atv And Nomax all with conservation program incentives from DNR I worked 5 years with USFWS on a fire crew and found out setting fire is Fun ,fun,fun so been getting a fire base set up LOL I nod Have a35 acres And when the horses die I'll drill more Lol Yup love it! Shoot even a few years back I thought more along the QUICK and FAST method...partly due to the never owning any ground of my own. However, as I delved into client work on their personal properties they plan on having for a while I truly started to never recommend the short term only strategy. The only quick habitat things I'll recommend now on the usual is hinge cutting and water hole installation. Fast growing or invasive species are never recommended as a long term plan on what growth you want is so crucial to the long term success of the habitat and the more diverse you make it the more mother nature is going to love it. Prescribed fire burning is something I want to do with my newly acquired piece of God ground (21.7 acres) up here in my area...and I cannot afford a ton, but I plan on planting over 100 Norway Spruces this year, some native crabapples and in the future doing a bunch of native white oaks and I believe maybe some pin oaks. |
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Post by throbak on Mar 7, 2016 13:38:13 GMT -5
Down here Virginia Pines are the only ones that can withstand browsing All the others are Deer Candy and that's what we call them. I swear we have a lot of our better trees because they were planted when we didn't have the deer like we do now WSG is pretty quick Habitat
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 7, 2016 14:24:43 GMT -5
Down here Virginia Pines are the only ones that can withstand browsing All the others are Deer Candy and that's what we call them. I swear we have a lot of our better trees because they were planted when we didn't have the deer like we do now WSG is pretty quick Habitat WSG is awesome! And yeah I plan on at minimum crudely fencing in my Norways, if not going full tilt and fencing them in entirely....have a lead on some old softball/baseball fencing a church is tearing down and no longer wants. That is one of the problems to having and creating a great habitat, deer will devour what you put there simply because there are more attracted to your place for sure! |
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Post by cutworm on Mar 7, 2016 14:47:03 GMT -5
Spray that honeysuckle in the october time frame with a 2x rate of glyphosate and a nis surfactant and you will control it. I do not let it get out of control but i do leave a little here and there.
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Post by dadfsr on Mar 7, 2016 22:12:29 GMT -5
After many years of working with and planting the trees in the university's tree nursery I learned there are some trees that really do become deer magnets. Crabapple trees with the more persistant fruit could easily be seen for just how high the deer could reach to eat the fruit, but the one tree that always amazed me was the the black gum (nyssa sylvatica)-without fail every bud that could be reached by a deer would be browsed on! We had to actually put fence around the smaller trees for 3 to 4 years just to let them have a chance of surviving long enough to grow above the browse line. The black gum must have something, either in taste or needed nutrients, that deer love to eat! I'm thinking when I plant more trees back along my spruce windbreak that I'll mix crabapples, persimmons, black gums and some white oaks ....and then a couple of red cedar trees out away from those! |
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Post by drs on Mar 8, 2016 5:34:17 GMT -5
After many years of working with and planting the trees in the university's tree nursery I learned there are some trees that really do become deer magnets. Crabapple trees with the more persistant fruit could easily be seen for just how high the deer could reach to eat the fruit, but the one tree that always amazed me was the the black gum (nyssa sylvatica)-without fail every bud that could be reached by a deer would be browsed on! We had to actually put fence around the smaller trees for 3 to 4 years just to let them have a chance of surviving long enough to grow above the browse line. The black gum must have something, either in taste or needed nutrients, that deer love to eat! I'm thinking when I plant more trees back along my spruce windbreak that I'll mix crabapples, persimmons, black gums and some white oaks ....and then a couple of red cedar trees out away from those! I have a lot of Black Gum trees growing on my property, and several varieties of Oak. Also have wild Blueberry bushes too, however the Birds, Squirrels, and Rabbits usually get the berries, before the Deer. I considered planting Crabapples , but they won't grow well here, due to the amount of Red Cedar trees which transmit "Cedar Apple Rust" to them. Regular Apple Trees also don't do very well here, BUT, we do have several Persimmon Trees growing on our property, as well as Maple & Hickory trees. |
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Post by drs on Mar 8, 2016 5:36:44 GMT -5
Down here Virginia Pines are the only ones that can withstand browsing All the others are Deer Candy and that's what we call them. I swear we have a lot of our better trees because they were planted when we didn't have the deer like we do now WSG is pretty quick Habitat The Deer on my property tend to avoid browsing on Virginia Pines. Squirrels like the cones though. |
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But remember my Grandfather & others planting it in the 1950's.
