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Post by jjas on Feb 29, 2016 14:43:34 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2016 15:20:39 GMT -5
Two years ago I started this process at my home. I have three acres and the neighbors around me are anywhere from 2 -5 acres. I cleared 80% and planted 140 fruit bearing trees and around 70 white/red oaks. The place already had wild raspberry and honeysuckle so I an expanding its area. I also planted 20 hawthorn bushes for thickest. I have about three more years and it should be looking good.
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Post by HuntMeister on Mar 1, 2016 7:26:16 GMT -5
I did some hinge cutting the weekend before this past one. I returned to the area this past weekend and the deer had already taken advantage of the newly available food!
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Post by steiny on Mar 1, 2016 8:36:57 GMT -5
Some of the best, most economical work you can do to improve habitat on your farm is hinge cutting.
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 2, 2016 10:19:11 GMT -5
Encouraging foraging in non-food plot ways is the #1 I will always tell guys when they seek my advice or have me walk their property. Food plots are awesome and amazing things when thought through and delivered to the deer, but natural browse and food sources will still feed the deer more or just as much as any plot(s) you may plant.
My new property I'm buying I hope to encourage as much natural travel browsing and natural forage browsing as possible from hinge cuttings, to plantings to selective cuttings of non-preferred brows trees/bushes.
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Post by steiny on Mar 2, 2016 14:53:50 GMT -5
Tyn -
What's your take on Asian bush honeysuckle. That stuff is invasive and pretty much taking over the midwest, most of the foresters suggest killing it. Seems like it is pretty good concealment cover and holds leaves and berries bvery late in the year. Do you know if this is a preferred deer browse?
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 4, 2016 9:52:47 GMT -5
Tyn - What's your take on Asian bush honeysuckle. That stuff is invasive and pretty much taking over the midwest, most of the foresters suggest killing it. Seems like it is pretty good concealment cover and holds leaves and berries bvery late in the year. Do you know if this is a preferred deer browse? The debate over invasive things is a touchy one for a lot of folks. Take for example MultiFlora Rose...it is invasive and can begin to be a problem if not controlled...but problem is subjective to opinion. It plays an awesome source of cover, sight blocking and browse for food for the deer. There are less invasive options like blackberry bushes native to our area that many decide to encourage and/or plant rather than MFR...which is more the route I'd go personally. As for the Asian Honeysuckle...that stuff was on my radar for a long time as I love some aspects of it...and still is on my radar but doubt I ever plant any. The problem is given the right conditions for growth it can do some serious damage to area vegetation and bushes/trees by growing and smothering them out. However it can thicken up the appearance of a bedding area or location on your property with it's vining characteristics and yes the deer love the stuff. Some guys claim if you want deer on your property have honeysuckle...and I also know a couple guys that have never been able to get it established from planting because the deer destroy the stuff....and others that it is a swear word and the reason why their habitat is dying. In the end it is your property and some thought must be put in whenever you plant something which is going to spread and potential affect other aspects of the property. I won't discourage folks from using honeysuckle but I will caution them and make them aware if you are not one to stay on top of it, you may want to look another route. |
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Post by steiny on Mar 4, 2016 15:36:43 GMT -5
I wouldn't plant the stuff, there's plenty of volunteer stuff already growing.
I'm just not so gung ho to eradicate it like foresters would have you do.
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Post by throbak on Mar 4, 2016 17:14:58 GMT -5
I will discourage you from using honeysuckle It is one if not the most destructive invasive we have in Indiana It will suppress the growth of your trees up to 50 % or more and turn your understory into a desert void of Native plants all you will have is dirt I Have Seen it not only will you destroy your woods you will do the same for all your neighbors If left alone your woods will be in huntable Sam e for Multiflora Rose Go to Clifty Falls State Park 80% you can't hunt let alone walk through Kill every Asian Bush and Japenese Honeysuckle you see Same wit MF Rose
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Post by hornzilla on Mar 5, 2016 20:58:35 GMT -5
Tyn - What's your take on Asian bush honeysuckle. That stuff is invasive and pretty much taking over the midwest, most of the foresters suggest killing it. Seems like it is pretty good concealment cover and holds leaves and berries bvery late in the year. Do you know if this is a preferred deer browse? I have it on my property and would never think of killing it off. Deer love it and that's what I have my property for. I do mow some of it back every so often. But I will never take it all out. |
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Post by dadfsr on Mar 5, 2016 23:06:15 GMT -5
The last time I got in a discussion about this very invasive and totally NOT needed plant I ended up leaving this site for a few years....yeah it may be your property but there is absolutely no way that you will EVER keep it on your property!!! Besides that, even though deer will browse on it, it does not have as much nutrient value as most native browse...yeah the deer are browsing on it because it's taken over everything else and there isn't anything left!!!
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 6, 2016 7:59:38 GMT -5
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Post by dadfsr on Mar 6, 2016 19:16:52 GMT -5
Just to add more to this article-the Bradford/ornamental pears mentioned in this article are very SOON to be listed as an invasive species!!! Why? Because when the Bradford pear was introduced well over a half a century ago one of it's sought after attributes was that it couldn't naturally reproduce.....just like all plants/animals there is continual adaptation to survive and now these supposedly sterile ornamentals are now cross pollinating with other pear and crabapple species, producing a very viable fruit with seeds that birds are spreading at an alarming rate! Don't know how familiar any of you are with the West Lafayette area but there was an open "Lot for sale" field next to the Cook Medical building (formerly Great Lakes headquarters) that was just hydromulched down to ground level last year-before that all you could see in the spring was small trees with white flowers that looked like wild apple trees....NOPE...they were in fact all the invasive crossbred trees from no longer sterile ornamental pears-we're talking probably a 25 acre field that was completely taken over by this crossbred. Like I said before-maybe you think you want this honeysuckle on your property but there is absolutely NO WAY that you will keep it there!! Take a look at the information in this link: www.invasivespeciesinfo.gov/unitedstates/in.shtmlThey will keep it up to date with all of the new information including the ornamental pear issue. The main problem right now is all of the tree nurseries that are still growing it and all of the trees that have been/are to be planted-as soon as that issue can be worked out these trees will hit the list too. |
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Post by throbak on Mar 6, 2016 20:36:14 GMT -5
Even as we speak its in the works that a lot of these plants will not be sold in Indiana Bradford Pear , Honeysuckle, privit , and Flaming Bush are just a few
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Post by nfalls116 on Mar 7, 2016 1:16:15 GMT -5
Get some paw paw trees quick to expand territory and deer love them in fact I often wonder if the fruit doesn't just turn to dust before it hits the ground
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Post by nfalls116 on Mar 7, 2016 1:22:03 GMT -5
Even as we speak its in the works that a lot of these plants will not be sold in Indiana Bradford Pear , Honeysuckle, privit , and Flaming Bush are just a few Its been in "the works" for a good while now I don't know what would be so hard about banning invasive species or why it would take very long to come to a conclusion on banning them or not seems it could go like this Senator a- these species are invasive. Senator b- I make a motion to ban all retail sales Speaker of the house- all in favor say I Senator c through all other letters present- I Done deal |
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Post by drs on Mar 7, 2016 5:14:53 GMT -5
Even as we speak its in the works that a lot of these plants will not be sold in Indiana Bradford Pear , Honeysuckle, privit , and Flaming Bush are just a few Do you remember when the State of Indiana sold Multi-flora Rose, way back int the 1950's? It was advertised as the "Living Fence". This was one plant that REALLY got out-of-hand!! |
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Post by dadfsr on Mar 7, 2016 7:37:12 GMT -5
Even as we speak its in the works that a lot of these plants will not be sold in Indiana Bradford Pear , Honeysuckle, privit , and Flaming Bush are just a few Do you remember when the State of Indiana sold Multi-flora Rose, way back int the 1950's? It was advertised as the "Living Fence". This was one plant that REALLY got out-of-hand!! It was actually being sold by the government in the 1930's... www.nps.gov/plants/ALIEN/PUBS/MIDATLANTIC/romu.htm |
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Post by throbak on Mar 7, 2016 9:22:18 GMT -5
N falls I wish it was that simple lol
I have the flyer from DNR expounding on the Virtures of Autumn Olive from 73 I think.
When I first got my farm The DNR bought 500 trees and shrubs And seed for 10 acres WSG . That got me started . Then there was a fescue eradication program 5 acres killed And Seed For 5 acres WSG Then there was a invasive Program Ailanthus and Autumn Olive Killed on the Whole Farm . I did all the labor and was able to buy Equipment to Keep it up I planted another 3000 trees and shrubs And planted another 20 acres WSG And am still killing Fescue on my dime .
The one thing that does the most good IMO is Killing Fescue And Invasives
The DNR with PR monie and The NRCS with Farm Bill money got me started If I had Crop land Consevation programs administered by NRCS are plentiful WATERSHED PROGRAMS ARE GREAT ALSO
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Post by tynimiller on Mar 7, 2016 10:09:06 GMT -5
The last time I got in a discussion about this very invasive and totally NOT needed plant I ended up leaving this site for a few years....yeah it may be your property but there is absolutely no way that you will EVER keep it on your property!!! Besides that, even though deer will browse on it, it does not have as much nutrient value as most native browse...yeah the deer are browsing on it because it's taken over everything else and there isn't anything left!!! dadfsr the nutritional content of it is what has kept me personally from ever planting it nearly as much as it's potential impact on everything else on my properties. I feel with a good strong plot strategy, hinging and plantings I can produce more nutritional tonnage without it than with it. Sure the deer love it, but they love salt too and I ain't gonna put salt blocks out instead of mineral. |
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