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Post by parson on Jan 23, 2016 16:14:32 GMT -5
Maryland used to be blue paint. Don't know if that is still the case or not.
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Post by medic22 on Jan 23, 2016 17:23:51 GMT -5
I wish we didnt need a purple or a sign law. If its not public or not yours, stay out.
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Post by throbak on Jan 23, 2016 18:25:10 GMT -5
I wish we didnt need a purple or a sign law. If its not public or not yours, stay out. . I think that's the way it is in Indiana
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Post by medic22 on Jan 24, 2016 16:58:43 GMT -5
I wish we didnt need a purple or a sign law. If its not public or not yours, stay out. . I think that's the way it is in Indiana I double checked the law, it is long and full of lawyer speak, but what i took away from it is, that at least one sign has to be posted at the entry to the property where ot is likely to be seen.
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Post by js2397 on Jan 24, 2016 18:20:04 GMT -5
For trespassing, regardless of posting hunting without permission is illegal.
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Post by hunterman on Jan 24, 2016 21:55:43 GMT -5
All you need for prosecution is one sign at main entrance of property as far as signs go.
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Post by esshup on Jan 25, 2016 10:04:08 GMT -5
I think I can disagree with both subjects in this thread. My 2 pennies worth is a 30-06 shell will go a heck of a lot farther than muzzle loader will, and furthermore to me, it doesn't matter how many shells you can throw out of it. It only takes 1 bullet to kill, sure you increase your odds of getting the animal if you throw more lead down stream. ;/quote] To my knowledge, all bullets/slugs/etc. fall at the same speed. "As such, all objects free fall at the same rate regardless of their mass. Because the 9.8 N/kg gravitational field at Earth's surface causes a 9.8 m/s/s acceleration of any object placed there, we often call this ratio the acceleration of gravity."
My muzzleloader shoots a heavier bullet than a 30-06 uses, faster than a 30-05 shoots it's projectiles, and it's legal to use. This whole purple thing to I just can't see what was wrong with signs being posted, now don't get me wrong, I'm just as mad as the next guy when it comes to having to go out and put up signs every year, however on the other side of the coin for me is, if you are going out to check on your property, pull the SD card out of your camera to see what has been going on. Clear out some shooting lanes and such you are already out there if a sign has gone missing just put up a new one. I think that just comes with owning some property. The one thing I do agree with is if someone is going to trespass they are going to do it regardless of what color of paint you throw around. I've gotten rid of meth labs on my property right after I bought the land at the base of a tree with a posted sign on it. I agree, but I would like to have the purple paint option too. When a property is roughly 800 yards by 450 yards, it takes more than a "few" signs to cover all 4 sides. Paint would be a whole lot easier and last longer than signs. Plastic signs typically last a maximum of 2 years due to the squirrels chewing them. Metal signs last about 2-3 years before they have to be put back up because the tree grew and forced the aluminum sign off of the nails.
Purple paint is commonly used as a property boundary in a number of states. I'd like to see it used here too.
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Post by hatchetjack on Jan 25, 2016 11:23:30 GMT -5
As expected the rifle proposal passed 11-0
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Post by HuntMeister on Jan 25, 2016 12:35:26 GMT -5
So can someone please how this now approved rifle option can work? Does it mean that rifles can be added to the regular firearms season or is it a special season of some sorts or? Am I correct to understand this is for private land only, public land will still have center fire rifle restrictions?
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Post by hatchetjack on Jan 25, 2016 13:02:29 GMT -5
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Post by cedarthicket on Jan 25, 2016 13:20:59 GMT -5
Today, regarding HB 1231, the only person testifying outside of the author and committee members was a representative from the Indiana Farm Bureau. He said the IFB has taken no position on the rifle issue but supports the portion dealing with “purple paint” to mark property boundaries.
I suspect there will be plenty of testimony regarding rifles, pro and con, if/when the bill advances further in the House. Then, if still alive, it must pass the Senate and the Governor. The bill’s fate is not a sure thing in my opinion.
Regarding season details, IF the bill becomes law, will be fleshed out by the DNR through the rule-making process.
Bill language regarding rifles, as it CURRENTLY reads:
1 SECTION 1. IC 14-22-2-8 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE 2 AS A NEW SECTION TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE 3 UPON PASSAGE]: Sec. 8. (a) Before July 1, 2016, the director shall 4 adopt rules under section 6 of this chapter, including emergency 5 rules adopted in the manner provided under IC 4-22-2-37.1, to 6 establish a deer hunting season during which hunters may use 7 rifles on privately owned land subject to the following: 8 (1) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) 9 inches. 10 (2) The rifle must fire a cartridge that meets the following 11 specifications: 12 (A) The cartridge must fire a bullet of two hundred 13 forty-three thousandths (.243) of an inch in diameter or 14 larger. 15 (B) The cartridge must have a minimum case length of one 16 and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches. 17 (3) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by 1 the department. However, the department may not establish 2 any other requirements pertaining to ammunition that may be 3 used during the season established under this section, 4 including requirements concerning a minimum or maximum 5 cartridge length for ammunition. 6 (b) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is 7 unlawful.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 25, 2016 14:50:49 GMT -5
Not sure how much the "rules making process" will affect this other than establishing a season.
My guess is that they could just make it concurrent with the firearm season OR - Just Make it a weekend if the DNR gets whizzed about it..
Anytime the legislature gets involved in game management it becomes a fiasco.
WAY too many individuals AND groups are calling their legislators for stuff that should be handled by the DNR and NRC through the Administrative Rules Process..
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Post by HuntMeister on Jan 25, 2016 15:15:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the thoughts fellas! I thought I understood but just was not sure.
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Post by hatchetjack on Jan 25, 2016 16:30:47 GMT -5
Today, regarding HB 1231, the only person testifying outside of the author and committee members was a representative from the Indiana Farm Bureau. He said the IFB has taken no position on the rifle issue but supports the portion dealing with “purple paint” to mark property boundaries. I suspect there will be plenty of testimony regarding rifles, pro and con, if/when the bill advances further in the House. Then, if still alive, it must pass the Senate and the Governor. The bill’s fate is not a sure thing in my opinion. Regarding season details, IF the bill becomes law, will be fleshed out by the DNR through the rule-making process. Bill language regarding rifles, as it CURRENTLY reads: 1 SECTION 1. IC 14-22-2-8 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE 2 AS A NEW SECTION TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE 3 UPON PASSAGE]: Sec. 8. (a) Before July 1, 2016, the director shall 4 adopt rules under section 6 of this chapter, including emergency 5 rules adopted in the manner provided under IC 4-22-2-37.1, to 6 establish a deer hunting season during which hunters may use 7 rifles on privately owned land subject to the following: 8 (1) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) 9 inches. 10 (2) The rifle must fire a cartridge that meets the following 11 specifications: 12 (A) The cartridge must fire a bullet of two hundred 13 forty-three thousandths (.243) of an inch in diameter or 14 larger. 15 (B) The cartridge must have a minimum case length of one 16 and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches. 17 (3) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by 1 the department. However, the department may not establish 2 any other requirements pertaining to ammunition that may be 3 used during the season established under this section, 4 including requirements concerning a minimum or maximum 5 cartridge length for ammunition. 6 (b) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is 7 unlawful. Bill - pm me your email address. I tried sending some info and it came back.Jack
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Post by greghopper on Jan 25, 2016 19:10:05 GMT -5
The part I don't understand with this bill is your be able to hunt private land with HPR but not public...no matter what the private acreage size is. So a one acre lot would be in and a area of any size public land would be out....SMH
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Post by medic22 on Jan 25, 2016 19:59:44 GMT -5
Today, regarding HB 1231, the only person testifying outside of the author and committee members was a representative from the Indiana Farm Bureau. He said the IFB has taken no position on the rifle issue but supports the portion dealing with “purple paint” to mark property boundaries. I suspect there will be plenty of testimony regarding rifles, pro and con, if/when the bill advances further in the House. Then, if still alive, it must pass the Senate and the Governor. The bill’s fate is not a sure thing in my opinion. Regarding season details, IF the bill becomes law, will be fleshed out by the DNR through the rule-making process. Bill language regarding rifles, as it CURRENTLY reads: 1 SECTION 1. IC 14-22-2-8 IS ADDED TO THE INDIANA CODE 2 AS A NEW SECTION TO READ AS FOLLOWS [EFFECTIVE 3 UPON PASSAGE]: Sec. 8. (a) Before July 1, 2016, the director shall 4 adopt rules under section 6 of this chapter, including emergency 5 rules adopted in the manner provided under IC 4-22-2-37.1, to 6 establish a deer hunting season during which hunters may use 7 rifles on privately owned land subject to the following: 8 (1) The rifle must have a barrel length of at least sixteen (16) 9 inches. 10 (2) The rifle must fire a cartridge that meets the following 11 specifications: 12 (A) The cartridge must fire a bullet of two hundred 13 forty-three thousandths (.243) of an inch in diameter or 14 larger. 15 (B) The cartridge must have a minimum case length of one 16 and sixteen-hundredths (1.16) inches. 17 (3) The rifle must meet any other requirements established by 1 the department. However, the department may not establish 2 any other requirements pertaining to ammunition that may be 3 used during the season established under this section, 4 including requirements concerning a minimum or maximum 5 cartridge length for ammunition. 6 (b) The use of a full metal jacketed bullet to hunt deer is 7 unlawful. Here is where i have an issue with the current and proposed regs. I hunted the last 2 years with a 300 blackout pistol with an 8 inch barrel, using 110 gr Remington hog hammer. I loved that bullet, though i have since switched back to 12 gauge because the eye relief on the pistol got a little screwy at downward angles. It is an effective round that meets pistol requirements. Yet, I currently cannot shoot the exact same bullet out of the exact same barrel while using a stock. With these proposed regs, I still couldnt, even with an SBR stamp, which i have.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 25, 2016 23:18:12 GMT -5
Just think of the frustration the rest of feel with the current regs and off the shelf ammunition......
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Post by esshup on Jan 25, 2016 23:41:13 GMT -5
medic22, that's one of my points. If it is legal in a pistol, why not a rifle? BS about a pistol not shooting as far, I can link to guys killing game at 1,000+ yds with a pistol. Anything is legal for 'yotes too.....
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Post by drs on Jan 26, 2016 5:54:05 GMT -5
I wish we didnt need a purple or a sign law. If its not public or not yours, stay out. I have my property, here in Ky posted: NO TRESPASSING/HUNTING, but the signs are not purple in color. I purchase my metal signs at either Walmart or T.S.C. Anyone caught trespassing, on my property, will be prosecuted!!!
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Post by esshup on Jan 26, 2016 9:51:02 GMT -5
None of the signs I have are purple in color either. If it becomes law, I would double post - signs and purple paint. As it is now, I have to replace a lot of signs. They were placed at 50 yd intervals around a clients place, and a LOT are down now.
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