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Post by esshup on Oct 22, 2015 21:32:38 GMT -5
Any other contamination? Gut shot? Even with lack of air (which *should help keep bacteria at bay) and the insulating properties of snow I don't see how meat would spoil unless there was something else introducing a tremendous amount of bacteria into the mix. The snow might insulate but if the meat is unable to generate heat....where does the bacteria come from? swik, no other contamination that I know of. Dbl lung shot. I was in a ground blind. Here's the entrance wound: Here's the exit wound: She was laying in a narrow, dry ditch, the ditch was about 3' deep. The entrance side was the side she was laying on.
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Post by parkerbow on Oct 22, 2015 22:05:53 GMT -5
I can't leave a deer over night in my area, the coyotes will definatley get to them before I do the next morning.
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Post by esshup on Oct 22, 2015 23:10:50 GMT -5
I was fully expecting to find nothing but a skeleton the next morning.
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Post by sakorifle on Oct 23, 2015 2:37:55 GMT -5
Greetings
Deer always smell if left over night, and thy smell for a reason. The enzymes etc in the blood putrify and spoil the meat, hence why the first thing we do when a deer goes down and we walk up to it is put a knife in the front of its neck/chest and bleed it out. Any deer we have to leave is put in the bin that is the way we have to do it, not allowed in the food chain. And to be honest i would not like to eat it myself, perhaps i am too fussy i dont know.
If esshup takes his carcass to be processed i would imagine the processer would throw away anything that looks the slightest iffy and who can blame him, bugs can kill humans,had a butcher here killed a lot of folks at a wedding and made a lot more ill with bad meat, and after all it is the processers livelyhood gone if esshup is on the toilet for a fortnight. lol regards billy
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Post by drs on Oct 23, 2015 3:57:56 GMT -5
Cold weather is no guarantee of non-spoiled meat but it certainly helps. Snow can act as an insulator and prevent cold air flow from circulating around the meat and encourage bacteria growth. My guess is in the two cases the deer were lost, they were in spots that did not have good air flow. My husband has also seen deer carcass spoil in the snow. Thus far, with all the years of Deer Hunting experience; I've been lucky not losing one Deer I shot. If one does have to wait until the next morning to find their Deer; when they field dress it, they can determine with some accuracy when their Deer expired. This is done by checking the temp. of the Liver, which is the last organ to cool off. If the Liver feels cold to the touch then the Deer has been dead for >12 hours. If slightly warm then it died <12 hours, give or take a few hours, and depending on the air temp.
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Post by trapperdave on Oct 23, 2015 5:35:35 GMT -5
Greetings Deer always smell if left over night, and thy smell for a reason. The enzymes etc in the blood putrify and spoil the meat, hence why the first thing we do when a deer goes down and we walk up to it is put a knife in the front of its neck/chest and bleed it out. Any deer we have to leave is put in the bin that is the way we have to do it, not allowed in the food chain. And to be honest i would not like to eat it myself, perhaps i am too fussy i dont know. If esshup takes his carcass to be processed i would imagine the processer would throw away anything that looks the slightest iffy and who can blame him, bugs can kill humans,had a butcher here killed a lot of folks at a wedding and made a lot more ill with bad meat, and after all it is the processers livelyhood gone if esshup is on the toilet for a fortnight. lol regards billy How do you bleed out an animal that's dead?
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Post by trapperdave on Oct 23, 2015 5:37:33 GMT -5
First thing I do is gut it. Theres all your blood.
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Post by sakorifle on Oct 23, 2015 5:46:15 GMT -5
greetings Stick your nife in the bottom of the neck face on and move it left to right, or right to left, And watch, it is amazing what come out if done properly, some folks put pressure on the rib cage to help it. There is a theory that if a bullet goes through the deer it bleeds it for you, but men wiser than me say no, i actually dont agree with them but there we go. Once i get back from shooting i will look for a video on it. waiting for stuart to arrive im all packed ready for the midlands, taking his car it does twice as many miles per gallon as my landrover. regards Billy
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Post by chubwub on Oct 23, 2015 7:03:23 GMT -5
Blood will start clotting 3-15 mins after death but there will always be some that doesn't clot right away, seems like it's usally the veins that clot more quickly. In the lab we will inject the animals with heparin before sacrifice to avoid clotting issues. Pigs are really bad about clotting, dogs not as bad, every specie is different. So there ya go, just force a feed the deer a few asprin before you kill it or inject 4000 u of heparin and that blood will stay nice and thin and your's will too if you eat it lol.
Fresh butchering is the key to any quality meat. I like severing the corotids/jugular too, that plus gravity will help get rid of a lot of blood. A heart still pumping will do a lot of the work of pushing the blood out for you. If you are not happy with that, you can always grab a 20/30cc syringe and stick it in a vessel and start perfusing the animal with some salt water.
But a good soak in salt water overnight will take care of most of the blood anyway. That's the husband's favorite method along with buttermilk and I have to say it works quite well.
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Post by trapperdave on Oct 23, 2015 8:30:09 GMT -5
and the flavor
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Post by boonechaser on Oct 23, 2015 13:20:04 GMT -5
Coyote's are bad in my area as well. Lost a couple by leaving overnight. It's amazing that they can totally consume a deer in such a short period of time. But I have seen it more than once.
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Post by henson59 on Oct 23, 2015 14:22:21 GMT -5
This is what is probably going to happen at our place if you have to leave it over night. Found him first thing the next morning.
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Post by onebentarrow on Oct 23, 2015 15:12:38 GMT -5
Wow!! Looks like you need to get ahold of a good trapper and have him do some yote trapping after deer season. This would be a good year to as all fur prices in the tank except yote. They would bring the most money for a trapper
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Post by firstwd on Oct 23, 2015 20:46:46 GMT -5
Wow!! Looks like you need to get ahold of a good trapper and have him do some yote trapping after deer season. This would be a good year to as all fur prices in the tank except yote. They would bring the most money for a trapper Who is buying coyote? Fur buyers around here won't take them at all.
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Post by drs on Oct 24, 2015 4:34:11 GMT -5
This is what is probably going to happen at our place if you have to leave it over night. Found him first thing the next morning. That's too bad that happened to your Buck. Once, on a Colorado Deer Hunt, I had a Black Bear grab my Buck and made a meal of it!
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Post by onebentarrow on Oct 24, 2015 4:57:39 GMT -5
Wow!! Looks like you need to get ahold of a good trapper and have him do some yote trapping after deer season. This would be a good year to as all fur prices in the tank except yote. They would bring the most money for a trapper Who is buying coyote? Fur buyers around here won't take them at all. I am on traperman.com alot and most put up there own fur and send them to the auction houses
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Post by esshup on Oct 24, 2015 22:26:28 GMT -5
Update:
I picked up the meat today and the processor said that it was starting to turn green around the joints too.
He's had 2 others come in like mine, and they all have had about the same % of meat loss.
Another one he told the hunter to just leave it in the woods because it was even warmer over night than the night mine spent in the woods.
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Post by drs on Oct 25, 2015 4:53:57 GMT -5
Update: I picked up the meat today and the processor said that it was starting to turn green around the joints too. He's had 2 others come in like mine, and they all have had about the same % of meat loss. Another one he told the hunter to just leave it in the woods because it was even warmer over night than the night mine spent in the woods. Knowing well that I will be criticized for my statement. But I sincerely believe that one who enjoys archery hunting for Deer; they should NOT consider an evening hunt with a bow. Also they should be experts in using this type equipment, by being able to hit a soft drink can consistently at 35 yards. We all watch these TV shows, on the weekend, where it shows a famous TV Hunter, bag a huge Buck or another specie of game animal, using archery equipment; but we forget they ARE EXPERTS. My suggestion is to just observe Deer movements during archery season or just before firearm season and then hunt with a firearm, when the season opens. Hunting and shooting/wounding a Deer this time of the year when it's way too warm, in the evening, is not the most intelligent way to bag a Deer. Also, taking shots that are too long, becoming excited, usually end-up making a poor placement shot, thus the Deer runs off in the dark and becomes unrecoverable, only to be found spoiled.
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Post by swilk on Oct 25, 2015 7:07:53 GMT -5
No sure thing...doesn't matter weapon type, critter hunted or time of day. If you're wanting a guaranteed sure thing then hunting isn't for you....
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Post by drs on Oct 25, 2015 7:33:03 GMT -5
No sure thing...doesn't matter weapon type, critter hunted or time of day. If you're wanting a guaranteed sure thing then hunting isn't for you.... No, just a humane kill. However you're correct that hunting isn't for everyone. Before my injury, I hunted a few years with a compound bow, but found it wasn't the proper Deer hunting equipment for me personally, mainly due to my eyesight. When I did hunt I always hunted the morning hours, and during my very few years of Hunting Deer with my compound bow; I only bagged one Deer. Also, you are correct in that there is NO guarantee of a sure thing regardless of weapon choice. I've been very lucky by not having to run down a "gut shot" Deer or spending a full next day looking for my Harvested Deer, only to find it partly eaten by coyotes or finding it spoiled. This is why I use a rifle or M/L, for my Deer hunting equipment, as it is more effective in taking a Deer sized game animal humanly. There is lots of wasted game due to poor shooting each season, due to a lack of practice with either a bow or a firearm. The solution to avoid this is: PRACTICE-PRACTICE-PRACTICE !!!
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