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Post by HighCotton on Sept 22, 2015 17:05:08 GMT -5
After some cleaning and "tuning" I got my buddy's ole 190 back in action. Laser bore sighted and some adjustment got her shootin' pretty fine at 20 yards. Sure is satisfying to take an old gun and get it poppin' again!  |
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Post by dbd870 on Sept 22, 2015 18:00:02 GMT -5
Nice! Boy I hunted with growing up had a 290
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Post by Russ Koon on Sept 24, 2015 11:15:19 GMT -5
Bought one of those new way back in the '70's. Real happy with it while I shot open sights. It was a tack driver, and I had no malfunctions. It was my first autoloader, and I was very pleased.
When I mounted a scope on it a few months later, the headaches began. It would shoot a nice tight little group, and I'd adjust to zero the scope, and when I shot the next group it would be off in some other direction, seemingly with no connection to the direction or amount of correction I had dialed in.
I removed the scope and cleaned everything thoroughly and remounted it with extra care....same result.
It seemed that it would put five shots in a tight group, and when I laid it aside very carefully and walked to the target to put a fresh target in place, it would shoot to a different zero when I picked it up again, no matter how carefully I handled it.
Still hadn't figured it out when I got home, until I sat in my living room with the gun empty and the butt on the floor, the stock between my knees, and one hand resting on the muzzle. That's when I noticed that I could very easily move the barrel in any direction a quarter inch or so before the stock would try to move!
Turns out the barrel is held in place by a pin through the receiver, and the rifle I had bought had a very loose fit between that pin and the barrel. I suppose there were a number of things I could have done to improve the situation, but I was also in need of a new shotgun at the time, and decided I'd rather trade in the almost-new Winchester on a shotgun and buy a Marlin lever gun before the next summer.
Mine may have been a fluke of some kind, I don't know. But if you decide to scope it and have trouble holding zero, you might want to check the barrel retention pin fit.
My B-I-L had a similar problem with a Remington Nylon 66 he'd bought new a few years later. In that case, the scope mounted to a stamped sheet-metal piece that sat on the receiver, and you could rattle it around with your hand! Great shooting and functioning gun for open sight use, but the groups were all over the place with a scope mounted on that "tin roof" over the receiver. The barrel was mounted solidly enough to the receiver in his case, but the stamped piece with the scope grooves was attached loosely to it, with shake you could feel in the scope.
In both cases, it seemed strange to me that an engineering team of a major manufacturer would field a new rifle into a competitive market with scope grooves on a piece of metal with no solid connection to the barrel that determined where the bullet was going to go. Kinda like making a fine watch and forgetting to put the minute hands on them.
Great guns if you're using sights that are attached directly to the barrel, though. And from the looks of your groups, you don't need any glass on top!
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Post by Russ Koon on Sept 24, 2015 11:16:05 GMT -5
Bought one of those new way back in the '70's. Real happy with it while I shot open sights. It was a tack driver, and I had no malfunctions. It was my first autoloader, and I was very pleased.
When I mounted a scope on it a few months later, the headaches began. It would shoot a nice tight little group, and I'd adjust to zero the scope, and when I shot the next group it would be off in some other direction, seemingly with no connection to the direction or amount of correction I had dialed in.
I removed the scope and cleaned everything thoroughly and remounted it with extra care....same result.
It seemed that it would put five shots in a tight group, and when I laid it aside very carefully and walked to the target to put a fresh target in place, it would shoot to a different zero when I picked it up again, no matter how carefully I handled it.
Still hadn't figured it out when I got home, until I sat in my living room with the gun empty and the butt on the floor, the stock between my knees, and one hand resting on the muzzle. That's when I noticed that I could very easily move the barrel in any direction a quarter inch or so before the stock would try to move!
Turns out the barrel is held in place by a pin through the receiver, and the rifle I had bought had a very loose fit between that pin and the barrel. I suppose there were a number of things I could have done to improve the situation, but I was also in need of a new shotgun at the time, and decided I'd rather trade in the almost-new Winchester on a shotgun and buy a Marlin lever gun before the next summer.
Mine may have been a fluke of some kind, I don't know. But if you decide to scope it and have trouble holding zero, you might want to check the barrel retention pin fit.
My B-I-L had a similar problem with a Remington Nylon 66 he'd bought new a few years later. In that case, the scope mounted to a stamped sheet-metal piece that sat on the receiver, and you could rattle it around with your hand! Great shooting and functioning gun for open sight use, but the groups were all over the place with a scope mounted on that "tin roof" over the receiver. The barrel was mounted solidly enough to the receiver in his case, but the stamped piece with the scope grooves was attached loosely to it, with shake you could feel in the scope.
In both cases, it seemed strange to me that an engineering team of a major manufacturer would field a new rifle into a competitive market with scope grooves on a piece of metal with no solid connection to the barrel that determined where the bullet was going to go. Kinda like making a fine watch and forgetting to put the minute hands on them.
Great guns if you're using sights that are attached directly to the barrel, though. And from the looks of your groups, you don't need any glass on top!
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Post by dbd870 on Sept 24, 2015 14:39:48 GMT -5
The gun may be a semi auto - but your keyboard looks like it has a burst mode!!!! (no I'm not going to Moderate the thread - this is better.......)  |
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Post by HighCotton on Sept 24, 2015 20:52:30 GMT -5
Thanks Russ. That's some interesting and valuable information. Thanks!
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