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Post by art338wm on Sept 16, 2015 23:40:51 GMT -5
I see that MGM has Encore barrels available in .358 Hoosier reasonably priced. I already have a Encore muzzleloader and IF I decide to invest in a 358 Hoosier bolt gun, I will already need to buy dies and brass, so a extra $400 + for end will get me a excellent deer rifle for my young sons to share that is accurate and of mild recoil, and will cost about the same as a Savage 220.
Especially since my one son is left handed so a Encore would work out perfectly for both of them.
My questions are and I'm hoping that I'm asking these questions correctly, is #1- if I buy a bolt gun in 358 Hoosier and a Encore barrel from MGM in 358 Hoosier, will the re-formed brass be usable in both platforms, or will I have to size each differently? In other words is the wildcat known as the 358 Hoosier a standardized cartridge? #2-Will .308 Winchester brass and .358 Winchester brass once converted be usable in the same rifle? As one can imagine the issue of cartridge incompatibility between different type rifles as well as different parent brass can pose some legitimate safety and practicality concerns.
Thank you,
Arthur.
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Post by drs on Sept 17, 2015 4:36:44 GMT -5
I see that MGM has Encore barrels available in .358 Hoosier reasonably priced. I already have a Encore muzzleloader and IF I decide to invest in a 358 Hoosier bolt gun, I will already need to buy dies and brass, so a extra $400 + for end will get me a excellent deer rifle for my young sons to share that is accurate and of mild recoil, and will cost about the same as a Savage 220. Especially since my one son is left handed so a Encore would work out perfectly for both of them. My questions are and I'm hoping that I'm asking these questions correctly, is #1- if I buy a bolt gun in 358 Hoosier and a Encore barrel from MGM in 358 Hoosier, will the re-formed brass be usable in both platforms, or will I have to size each differently? In other words is the wildcat known as the 358 Hoosier a standardized cartridge? #2-Will .308 Winchester brass and .358 Winchester brass once converted be usable in the same rifle? As one can imagine the issue of cartridge incompatibility between different type rifles as well as different parent brass can pose some legitimate safety and practicality concerns. Thank you, Arthur. 1. You would have to full length size your .358 Hoosier brass in order to use in both rifles. 2. If I were to choose between .308 or .358 Win. brass, I'd would choose .358 Winchester brass to form to .358 Hoosier brass. However Brass (.358 Win.) is becoming hard to find these days, so you can use .308 brass, with proper reforming dies. Good luck with your project, Art. |
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 21, 2015 11:30:14 GMT -5
1. Yep, full length size and the ammo will fit both .358 Hoosier chambers.
2. No reforming dies needed. Cut brass to 1.8", run in the Hoosier sizing die (Hornady One Shot lube the inside necks of the .308 cases also; not needed on .358 Win cases), trim to final length of 1.790". Cases are ready to use in either platform.
I would hesitate to use different cases in the same rifle just because of the small amounts of internal case capacity differences, but that is just because I like to keep EVERYTHING as consistent as possible when reloading for best accuracy.
You can even use different cases for the two different rifles and you will always know which brass goes with what rifle. Then you could ease back the full length sizer a tiny amount and just neck size the brass for the bolt gun to see if you can get even better accuracy for it.
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Post by esshup on Sept 22, 2015 8:37:47 GMT -5
Another vote for using different brass in each gun to keep the loads/brass separated. I have 2 Weatherby .257 Mag rifles and both have chambers that are slightly different. Norma brass for one, Weatherby brass for the other.
For best accuracy in each gun, the loads are slightly different.
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Post by bullseye69 on Sept 23, 2015 20:25:41 GMT -5
When Necking up 308 brass to 358 use Winchester brass. I found it stretches better than all the rest.
The others will give you some split necks when sizing up. So you may loose some, maybe 2 out of 10 will split.
But Winchester 0 out of 10. That's what I found last year making my 358H brass.
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Post by drs on Sept 24, 2015 4:32:39 GMT -5
When Necking up 308 brass to 358 use Winchester brass. I found it stretches better than all the rest. The others will give you some split necks when sizing up. So you may loose some, maybe 2 out of 10 will split. But Winchester 0 out of 10. That's what I found last year making my 358H brass. Neck splits can and will happen, when forming other cartridges. Quite frequently when you must "expand" the necks to a larger or even when reducing the neck for a smaller caliber; using the ideal brass is the best approach when forming wildcat cases. In forming some cases, annealing your newly formed wildcat cartridges, is a must to avoid split necks. Using .358 brass would be the best choice when forming your .358 Hoosier. I remember when I had a .17 Ackley Bee on a Martini Action, built back in the mid 1960's; forming cases required me to anneal the formed case before fire forming. If I didn't then I'd end-up with neck splits everytime regardless of brand of brass. |
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Post by omegahunter on Sept 24, 2015 9:02:46 GMT -5
When Necking up 308 brass to 358 use Winchester brass. I found it stretches better than all the rest. The others will give you some split necks when sizing up. So you may loose some, maybe 2 out of 10 will split. But Winchester 0 out of 10. That's what I found last year making my 358H brass. With the Hornady set of dies with the elliptical expander and adding Hornady One Shot lube to inside of the .308 case necks has resulted in zero split cases of new or used commercial or military brass no matter the manufacturer. But some of the military brass is too thick without turning the necks after converting (won't chamber up with a bullet seated in the brass). I even had one lot of Hornady .308 Match (?) that the necks ended up too thick to use! Still need to find a reamer or neck turner to borrow to finish out that batch. |
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Post by HuntMeister on Sept 24, 2015 9:34:25 GMT -5
[/quote]With the Hornady set of dies with the elliptical expander and adding Hornady One Shot lube to inside of the .308 case necks has resulted in zero split cases of new or used commercial or military brass no matter the manufacturer. But some of the military brass is too thick without turning the necks after converting (won't chamber up with a bullet seated in the brass). [/quote]  This has been my experience as well. |
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Post by drs on Sept 24, 2015 10:02:52 GMT -5
When Necking up 308 brass to 358 use Winchester brass. I found it stretches better than all the rest. The others will give you some split necks when sizing up. So you may loose some, maybe 2 out of 10 will split. But Winchester 0 out of 10. That's what I found last year making my 358H brass. With the Hornady set of dies with the elliptical expander and adding Hornady One Shot lube to inside of the .308 case necks has resulted in zero split cases of new or used commercial or military brass no matter the manufacturer. But some of the military brass is too thick without turning the necks after converting (won't chamber up with a bullet seated in the brass). I even had one lot of Hornady .308 Match (?) that the necks ended up too thick to use! Still need to find a reamer or neck turner to borrow to finish out that batch. I had an old Pre '64 Winchester model 70 in .22 Hornet, which I had Harry McGown rebarrel to .22 K-Hornet using a 1-in-14" twist so I could use 50 to 55 grain bullets. I found that when I fire formed Remington Brand Hornet cases I had many more splits if I just shot their factory ammo, but if I light loaded there were no splits. Winchester Hornet Brass proved to be the best as the factory loads would not neck split on my rifle. My Neighbor's Brother gave me several .308 Military (Lake City) brass; which I had to inside neck ream, check the case length, and also remove the primer crimp in order to reload. After this the brass worked fine in my .308 rifles. |
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