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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 8, 2015 17:46:52 GMT -5
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Post by esshup on Sept 9, 2015 9:45:57 GMT -5
The writer is 110% correct about his velocity statement. I've shot a .177 FWB 124D for a LONG time. If you learn to shoot a spring piston air rifle accurately, shooting any other powder burning rifle is a piece of cake. If someone is looking to buy an accurate air rifle, look at what air rifles are used to win the different Field Target competitions. You won't see any 1,000+ FPS guns...........
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 10, 2015 14:28:13 GMT -5
I've been frustrated with mine. Thought I was having scope troubles, and still may be, but tried different ammo. This had a huge impact; however, nothing desirable. For the best result of what I have were the lethal ones, but they were still inconsistent. It would put two touching each other, and then the next two would still be touching each other, but 1.5" away from the other set.
It does shoot hard and boasts of ~1400ft/sec, but it will shoot through a 1" phone book. Doesn't matter if I can't hit what I'm aiming at.
I just expect to better than this at 86yds ...not!
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Post by ms660 on Sept 10, 2015 21:45:54 GMT -5
I've been frustrated with mine. Thought I was having scope troubles, and still may be, but tried different ammo. This had a huge impact; however, nothing desirable. For the best result of what I have were the lethal ones, but they were still inconsistent. It would put two touching each other, and then the next two would still be touching each other, but 1.5" away from the other set. It does shoot hard and boasts of ~1400ft/sec, but it will shoot through a 1" phone book. Doesn't matter if I can't hit what I'm aiming at. I just expect to better than this at 86yds ...not! I would be willing to bet your gun is not even close to 1400fps. Companies like to fudge a lot on the fps . They think speed will boost sales. They will shoot a pellet weighing very little to get the over rated fps they claim. How many rounds have you put through your gun? many air rifles take 300+ rounds to break in and settle down. Also did you clean the barrel? If not use some Simple Green degreaser and patches and clean it good. Weed eater line makes a good line too pull your patches through. Take a lighter and melt a flat spot on the end small enough to fit through the bore but large enough to hold the patch on it. Poke a very small hole in the patch and feed it on the line and pull it through coated good with the degreaser. You will be amazed what comes out They are filthy from the factory with cutting oil and other crap. Keep the barrel clean and get a decent scope and practice, practice, practice with many types of pellets, find what your gun likes. I have not heard to many complaints about the Crosman Premeir hollow point pellets. All my guns like them. Some better than others. Pointed pellets and some of the high tech supper dupper non lead plastic tip pellets are just for show and in my opinion are not as accurate as the flat, or round nose wad cutter type, or hollow point lead pellets. Soon you should see some improvement. Oh I forgot to ask what gun do you have? Also check you screws and bolts on your gun a springer is hard on fasteners. Loctite is your friend if you are shooting a spring gun air rifle |
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Post by esshup on Sept 10, 2015 21:47:44 GMT -5
The problem is when the pellets go from supersonic to subsonic, the transonic stage upsets the pellets and they fly all over the place. No predicting where they'll go.
If you can't find a pellet heavy enough to start out under 1,000 fps, you might be screwed.
What is the group like at 20, 30, 40, 50 etc. yds? You might find that it's accurate at say 60 yds, but past that it's all over the place.
Also, with pellets being so light, wind plays havoc with them. If you aren't shooting with wind flags set out, you need to, just to be able to shoot during the same wind conditions from shot to shot.
It's like shooting 1,000 yds or more, but on a much smaller scale.
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Post by ms660 on Sept 10, 2015 22:14:01 GMT -5
The problem is when the pellets go from supersonic to subsonic, the transonic stage upsets the pellets and they fly all over the place. No predicting where they'll go. If you can't find a pellet heavy enough to start out under 1,000 fps, you might be screwed. What is the group like at 20, 30, 40, 50 etc. yds? You might find that it's accurate at say 60 yds, but past that it's all over the place. Also, with pellets being so light, wind plays havoc with them. If you aren't shooting with wind flags set out, you need to, just to be able to shoot during the same wind conditions from shot to shot. It's like shooting 1,000 yds or more, but on a much smaller scale. There are other option other that pellet weight to get a springer shooting at the 900-1000fps range.There are millions of after market spring available in lighter tension that can be installed to slow a gun down, or you can go a cheaper way and cut a small section out of the original spring to make it have less tension. All you need is a spring compressor and some basic know how to tune the internal of a spring gun. I was intimadated at the thought of tearing into a springer , but it was really a piece of cake with all the info available on the internet. I will admit my first tear down was a cheap Asian Ruger import and if I failed I wasn't out much. What I did really help the gun out as far as smoothness in cocking and trigger pull. I'm not confident enough to do my FWB 124. I sent it to Pilk air gun works do a recent seal job and had the spring replaced that cost 275 bucks I don't know if that was what the going rate for a tune cost or not. I thought that was a little high, but it got the old girl back to shooting like it had for the last 40 years. |
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 10, 2015 23:28:34 GMT -5
I've been frustrated with mine. Thought I was having scope troubles, and still may be, but tried different ammo. This had a huge impact; however, nothing desirable. For the best result of what I have were the lethal ones, but they were still inconsistent. It would put two touching each other, and then the next two would still be touching each other, but 1.5" away from the other set. It does shoot hard and boasts of ~1400ft/sec, but it will shoot through a 1" phone book. Doesn't matter if I can't hit what I'm aiming at. I just expect to better than this at 86yds ...not! I would be willing to bet your gun is not even close to 1400fps. Companies like to fudge a lot on the fps . They think speed will boost sales. They will shoot a pellet weighing very little to get the over rated fps they claim. How many rounds have you put through your gun? many air rifles take 300+ rounds to break in and settle down. Also did you clean the barrel? If not use some Simple Green degreaser and patches and clean it good. Weed eater line makes a good line too pull your patches through. Take a lighter and melt a flat spot on the end small enough to fit through the bore but large enough to hold the patch on it. Poke a very small hole in the patch and feed it on the line and pull it through coated good with the degreaser. You will be amazed what comes out They are filthy from the factory with cutting oil and other crap. Keep the barrel clean and get a decent scope and practice, practice, practice with many types of pellets, find what your gun likes. I have not heard to many complaints about the Crosman Premeir hollow point pellets. All my guns like them. Some better than others. Pointed pellets and some of the high tech supper dupper non lead plastic tip pellets are just for show and in my opinion are not as accurate as the flat, or round nose wad cutter type, or hollow point lead pellets. Soon you should see some improvement. Oh I forgot to ask what gun do you have? Also check you screws and bolts on your gun a springer is hard on fasteners. Loctite is your friend if you are shooting a spring gun air rifle Hey, thanks for the valuable information. I'm confident that it will not shoot this fast, and I'm hoping it doesn't. I was only shooting at 20yds, but I certainly expect to be in a 1" circle at this distance. My crossbow will. I have probably only shot 100 rounds through it. I know you do shoot a lot. I will shoot more and definitely clean it. Thanks! |
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Post by tenring on Sept 11, 2015 4:00:08 GMT -5
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Post by esshup on Sept 11, 2015 10:09:51 GMT -5
Jon, at 20 yds, a good spring gun and shooter should be able to keep all pellets within a 3/8" circle........ Do some browsing here. www.aafta.org/There's some info and links that you might find interesting. |
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Post by moose1am on Sept 11, 2015 10:26:59 GMT -5
The light weight non lead pellets go so fast that they break the sound barrier and are very loud. They sound like a 22 short being fired. But they are not very accurate and their PRECISION is all over the place. I've had a lot of FLIERS shooting them.
So I went back to lead pellets WAD CUTTERS for better PRECISION and ACCURACY. ACCURACY being the ability to hit the BULLS eye where one is aiming. Precision being the ability to get tight groups. One can be precise and not accurate. Example: I'm aiming at the bulls eye but hitting 3" off to the right, But ever one of the five pellets shot hit in the same spot. That's Precision without accuracy. There is a huge difference in between the terms Precision and Accuracy. They are not the same thing to me.
I've shoot a few different Air Rifles in the past. From the CO2 type to the Inert Gas Type. The CO2 type were more accurate and precise with a new CO2 cartridge installed and not leaking. But after the CO2 starts to leak out or be shot out the gun becomes less powerful and less accurate.
The Inert Gas type are hard to shoot accurately. Especially with the Blue Plastic Pointed Tips non lead pellets from Gamo. Those things will fly all over the place at longer ranges due to the air resistance, wind and lack of momentum. They are inaccurate and imprecise too.
I like the Crosman Flat head type pellets. These pellets are made out of lead and weight a bit more and are called Wad Cutters. They seem to have better accuracy and precision. I've use other pointed lead pellets and they work ok too.
I'd recommend that you stay away from the light weight non lead type pellets. They are too expensive and are not as accurate and precise as the lead type pellet.
Also make sure that you mount your optics on these guns properly. Check to make sure that the screws are not too long and are not bottoming out before they are fully seated. Then make sure you use BLUE LOCTITE thread sealer on the screws and the screw holes and torque the screws down tight with something like the Wheeler FAT MAN Torque wrench. There is a lot of forces on these guns when they are fired (spring type air guns) and they can knock a scope out of wack easily if you don't secure the screws down tight and add some thread sealer onto the threads. And some might even need a stop device setup behind the Rings to prevent them from moving backwards on the rifle.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 11, 2015 12:33:49 GMT -5
Thanks Moose! I'll take your advice too. I appreciate it. I don't see how it can get worse. I do have different ammo and some are much louder than others, like a .22. I don't have any wad cutters, but will try to get some. Anything will be better, and I know that it can be as I watched a hog hunting show with my gun. He was dropping them at 20yds by shooting them between the eyes when they squared up to him. |
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 11, 2015 12:38:32 GMT -5
Jon, at 20 yds, a good spring gun and shooter should be able to keep all pellets within a 3/8" circle........ Do some browsing here. www.aafta.org/There's some info and links that you might find interesting. Thanks esshup! I would certainly thing at 20yds one could expect the accuracy you mention. At least I have some things to try. Surprisingly, the best pattern came from the light ones, which is contrary to what others encounter. With these, it was as if the scope moved as all 4 were touching each other; however, two were touching at 1.5" to the left. I'll take everyone's advice and see if it gets better. |
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Post by esshup on Sept 11, 2015 19:59:18 GMT -5
Jon, you never said what gun, caliber and brand scope........
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 11, 2015 21:59:53 GMT -5
Jon, you never said what gun, caliber and brand scope........ Oh, it's a Gamo, and I got the .17, but now wish I'd gotten the .22 for the weight. The scope is also Gamo, and one would think that they'd put one on it that would work. I'm very curious what a better scope would do, but I don't want to take one off another gun right now as they are sighted in. I'm frustrated for sure, but do have some hope after talking with you guys. Right now I'm so excited about these draw hunts, I can't seem to think about anything but hunting deer. The opportunity to sit in some different woods will keep me awake at night. I'm also very excited about my food plot. We got some good rain this week, and I'm very thankful for it. Saturday, I'm going to hang a cover over my tree stand. I've had it a couple years, but had forgotten about it. I may even get up early and go squirrel hunting. I wish I had camo PJs; this is how excited I am. |
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Post by moose1am on Sept 13, 2015 13:16:20 GMT -5
Oh, it's a Gamo, and I got the .17, but now wish I'd gotten the .22 for the weight. The scope is also Gamo, and one would think that they'd put one on it that would work. I'm very curious what a better scope would do, but I don't want to take one off another gun right now as they are sighted in. I'm frustrated for sure, but do have some hope after talking with you guys. Right now I'm so excited about these draw hunts, I can't seem to think about anything but hunting deer. The opportunity to sit in some different woods will keep me awake at night. I'm also very excited about my food plot. We got some good rain this week, and I'm very thankful for it. Saturday, I'm going to hang a cover over my tree stand. I've had it a couple years, but had forgotten about it. I may even get up early and go squirrel hunting. I wish I had camo PJs; this is how excited I am. |
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Post by darinfry on Sept 21, 2015 7:05:28 GMT -5
Just wanted to echo what a couple others may have already mentioned in that you want to make sure every screw in your airgun is blue loctited down tight. Not doing this caused me great frustration when I first got into hunting with pellet guns. I'd be all over the target thinking it was me when in reality a stock or scope screw had just worked loose. Now I know if I miss its on me, not a loose screw. Also most scopes that come on airguns are cheap and don't last. I bought a leapers off pyramid air and love it. These scopes are tough and definitely hold zero. Lastly some people have a notion that an airgun can perform like a rimfire. This is relatively unrealistic. Part of the fun of hunting with an airgun is getting close, 20-30 yards
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