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Post by greghopper on May 9, 2015 17:25:36 GMT -5
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Post by dbd870 on May 9, 2015 18:22:57 GMT -5
Interesting just goes to show old myths die hard.
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Post by greghopper on May 9, 2015 19:51:26 GMT -5
Interesting just goes to show old myths die hard. Even harder when they have a large backing!!
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Post by Woody Williams on May 9, 2015 20:08:21 GMT -5
Interesting just goes to show old myths die hard. Even harder when they have a large backing!! Then I guess that the NRC "we don't count input noses/votes in making a decision" ain't quite true..
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Post by greghopper on May 9, 2015 20:12:32 GMT -5
Even harder when they have a large backing!! Then I guess that the NRC "we don't count input noses/votes in making a decision" ain't quite true.. That's what happened to proposal 1,was it not??? Large backing?? For as far as counting votes I heard it roll off the lips of someone from the DNR that counting yea & nays don't happen!!!
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Post by MuzzleLoader on May 9, 2015 20:26:54 GMT -5
Bye bye rifles, thought this had a chance. Guess not.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 9, 2015 20:35:04 GMT -5
Then I guess that the NRC "we don't count input noses/votes in making a decision" ain't quite true.. That's what happened to proposal 1,was it not??? Large backing?? For as far as counting votes I heard it roll off the lips of someone from the DNR that counting yea & nays don't happen!!! Prop 1? Not really. The NRC told the DNR to withdraw the proposal before it really got started. The DNR knew it wasn't right when they had their "informational meetings" all around the state. The inputs are supposed to be considered on what is input, not how many are input..
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Post by greghopper on May 9, 2015 21:04:00 GMT -5
Ok...... I thought it got with drawn after the DNR meetings around the state and after there survey before the meetings
Proposal 1 had a large backing against it.... May not made that clear in other post.
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Post by drs on May 10, 2015 4:30:41 GMT -5
Bye bye rifles, thought this had a chance. Guess not. Sorry, guys, but I thought sure "H.P. rifle used for Deer" issue would pass this time around. At least you can still use Pistol Cartridge Rifles, for Deer, and use HP rifles for hunting Groundhogs + Target shooting. I just wish that I could use my "light loaded" .22 Hornet for Squirrels here in Kentucky, as I did in Indiana. But it is illegal to use Centerfire rifles for Squirrels here, only rimfires or shotgun can be used.
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Post by dbd870 on May 10, 2015 6:36:46 GMT -5
In honor of the ignorance I think I'm going to hunt exclusively with HPR chambered handguns this fall firearms season if it doesn't go through which is looking more likely now. My 30-06 always was one of the best shooting barrels. Like M4M said on another site "at least we won't have to hear about how HPR's are destroying the herd now".
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Post by jjas on May 10, 2015 8:13:32 GMT -5
With pistols chambered in hpr calibers being legal for years, I thought this was an opportunity to finally add some continuity to our firearms equipment regs for deer hunting. And while I initially thought this would pass, with all the changes we've recently undergone (and an unpopular decision to reduce the herd in full swing), I understand why the proposal met with a lot of opposition and thus why it appears to have failed.
And so it goes.......
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Post by drs on May 10, 2015 10:13:26 GMT -5
With pistols chambered in hpr calibers being legal for years, I thought this was an opportunity to finally add some continuity to our firearms equipment regs for deer hunting. And while I initially thought this would pass, with all the changes we've recently undergone (and an unpopular decision to reduce the herd in full swing), I understand why the proposal met with a lot of opposition and thus why it appears to have failed. And so it goes....... I believe the main reason is the fact that most Hoosiers live in your state's larger cities and don't hunt. Also "Yuppies" are buying-up country property, changing the lifestyle, and most are against hunting therefore locking out those who do enjoy hunting.
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Post by jjas on May 10, 2015 10:44:36 GMT -5
With pistols chambered in hpr calibers being legal for years, I thought this was an opportunity to finally add some continuity to our firearms equipment regs for deer hunting. And while I initially thought this would pass, with all the changes we've recently undergone (and an unpopular decision to reduce the herd in full swing), I understand why the proposal met with a lot of opposition and thus why it appears to have failed. And so it goes....... I believe the main reason is the fact that most Hoosiers live in your state's larger cities and don't hunt. Also "Yuppies" are buying-up country property, changing the lifestyle, and most are against hunting therefore locking out those who do enjoy hunting. I'm sure there are many things that factored in, but theories aside, the bottom line is that it doesn't have the support of F&W...
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Post by drs on May 11, 2015 4:37:26 GMT -5
I believe the main reason is the fact that most Hoosiers live in your state's larger cities and don't hunt. Also "Yuppies" are buying-up country property, changing the lifestyle, and most are against hunting therefore locking out those who do enjoy hunting. I'm sure there are many things that factored in, but theories aside, the bottom line is that it doesn't have the support of F&W... True, IDNR doesn't or won't support the option to allow H.P. Rifles, mainly to appease all those "Yuppies" & non-hunters moving out into shrinking Indiana rural areas. (my observation & opinion). Well, as I said, a couple of posts back; Hunters still can use PCR's and also the .358 Hoosier for Deer Hunting. They can't take that away, as it's already written into law.
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Post by firstwd on May 11, 2015 5:35:48 GMT -5
I'm sure there are many things that factored in, but theories aside, the bottom line is that it doesn't have the support of F&W... True, IDNR doesn't or won't support the option to allow H.P. Rifles, mainly to appease all those "Yuppies" & non-hunters moving out into shrinking Indiana rural areas. (my observation & opinion). Well, as I said, a couple of posts back; Hunters still can use PCR's and also the .358 Hoosier for Deer Hunting. They can't take that away, as it's already written into law. They can take that away, and a lawsuit will help move that process along faster. It is time the discriminatory practices are put to an end.
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Post by greghopper on May 11, 2015 6:21:42 GMT -5
True, IDNR doesn't or won't support the option to allow H.P. Rifles, mainly to appease all those "Yuppies" & non-hunters moving out into shrinking Indiana rural areas. (my observation & opinion). Well, as I said, a couple of posts back; Hunters still can use PCR's and also the .358 Hoosier for Deer Hunting. They can't take that away, as it's already written into law. They can take that away, and a lawsuit will help move that process along faster. It is time the discriminatory practices are put to an end. You care to explain how you think there are "discriminatory practices" in place now!!!
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Post by dbd870 on May 11, 2015 6:25:33 GMT -5
I'm not seeing anything that can be sued for either?
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Post by parson on May 11, 2015 6:59:36 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on May 11, 2015 7:00:40 GMT -5
There was a clue in the Administrative Law Judges report - this will be back in the next year or two with geographical restrictions..
Too late in the game to do it this time, but it will happen next time..
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Post by drs on May 11, 2015 7:18:09 GMT -5
There was a clue in the Administrative Law Judges report - this will be back in the next year or two with geographical restrictions.. Too late in the game to do it this time, but it will happen next time.. I seriously doubt if this rifle issue will be back. It will most likely be a dead issue. Those who are opposed the use of H.P. Rifles for Deer Hunting in Indiana only have to point out that the use of PCR rifles, modern shotgun slugs (sabots) plus improvement in M/L's is enough for hunting Deer.
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