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Post by greghopper on May 11, 2015 7:27:33 GMT -5
There was a clue in the Administrative Law Judges report - this will be back in the next year or two with geographical restrictions.. Too late in the game to do it this time, but it will happen next time.. Not sure how they could make "geographical restrictions" when you are now allowed to use rifles state wide. There are WILDCAT rounds now that are equal or equate to HPR rounds...and they are state wide legal now!! IMO....there will have to be a Max round size.... bolt action guns and or limited magazine capacity next time. |
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Post by dbd870 on May 11, 2015 7:30:49 GMT -5
Any chance they would go the straight wall route of Ohio and allow 444, 45-70 etc? I'm inclined to think something modified will come back around as well.
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Post by swilk on May 11, 2015 7:36:52 GMT -5
Well, if it does pass it looks like it would do so without the recommendation of the Division of Fish and Wildlife.
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Post by Woody Williams on May 11, 2015 7:38:21 GMT -5
It is not "official" yet until the NRC takes a vote on it, but the DFW and the Administrative Law Judge thumbed it down. This is pretty well decided before this final meeting. It will be discussed, input (pro and con) taken from the public and then it will be voted down.. According to what the Administrative Law Judge said in her report they would like to pass it with restrictions (more than likely geographical) but they have time constraints.. It WILL be back.. |
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Post by parson on May 11, 2015 7:43:44 GMT -5
Guess I'd better trim down a couple more 35 Rem. cases!
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Post by Woody Williams on May 11, 2015 7:44:51 GMT -5
Pretty easy Greg.. Just say such and such counties can use them or south of a certain highway such as I 70.
They have said no to magazine restriction when PCRs came in. They would have to limit all guns, not just centerfires..There are Indiana legal guns now that can have a 30 round magazine attached..and there has been no problems..
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Post by Woody Williams on May 11, 2015 7:45:32 GMT -5
I doubt it Dave. I think the DNR truly wants centerfires..
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Post by greghopper on May 11, 2015 7:58:44 GMT -5
So how are rifles legal now state wide with RIFLE rounds now that are equal or equate to HPR rounds???
Looks like to me you will also have to limit Wildcat rounds to such counties can use them or south of a certain highway such as I 70.
I believe many are dead set against a semi autos in a HPR...I believe the are rifle states now with this restriction bolt action in place on HPR only ....PA may be one
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Post by jjas on May 11, 2015 8:22:15 GMT -5
So how are rifles legal now state wide with RIFLE rounds now that are equal or equate to HPR rounds??? Because those rounds were/are considered "legal" based on the language of the existing law would be my guess..... |
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Post by greghopper on May 11, 2015 8:29:24 GMT -5
That sounds good... If I lived in a county that they where going to restrict that be my main argument !!!
That and how would a HPR round know where the boundies are .... Some folks land would be in multi counties, then what
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Post by jjas on May 11, 2015 8:45:57 GMT -5
That and how would a HPR round know where the boundies are .... Some folks land would be in multi counties, then what Again, I'm hardly the authority on law, but I would imagine that if in County A it is legal to use a centerfire rifle of a particular caliber and in county B it is not, then it would be up to the individual to adhere to the law and only use that firearm on the legal portion of his/her property OR use the firearm that is legal throughout their property and avoid the issue completely. |
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Post by dbd870 on May 11, 2015 8:54:35 GMT -5
So how are rifles legal now state wide with RIFLE rounds now that are equal or equate to HPR rounds??? Looks like to me you will also have to limit Wildcat rounds to such counties can use them or south of a certain highway such as I 70. I believe many are dead set against a semi autos in a HPR...I believe the are rifle states now with this restriction bolt action in place on HPR only ....PA may be one PA is not limited to bolt guns but they are a no semiauto for deer state. |
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Post by greghopper on May 11, 2015 9:00:58 GMT -5
Ok .... I head someone mention PA and bolt action at the meeting and thats one of the states DNR looked to for a safety reference!!!
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Post by greghopper on May 11, 2015 9:18:00 GMT -5
That and how would a HPR round know where the boundies are .... Some folks land would be in multi counties, then what Again, I'm hardly the authority on law, but I would imagine that if in County A it is legal to use a centerfire rifle of a particular caliber and in county B it is not, then it would be up to the individual to adhere to the law and only use that firearm on the legal portion of his/her property OR use the firearm that is legal throughout their property and avoid the issue completely. So the folks the next wood lot/area over where restriction are in place have no worries/aurgument then...... Even if only a few yards away? BTW..... I am no legal expert also ... But common sense comes in to play sometimes. |
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Post by dbd870 on May 11, 2015 9:20:55 GMT -5
I merged Parson's thread into this one (chose this as it had been going longer) so we didn't have a parallel discussion going and muddy the waters.
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Post by jjas on May 11, 2015 9:32:06 GMT -5
Again, I'm hardly the authority on law, but I would imagine that if in County A it is legal to use a centerfire rifle of a particular caliber and in county B it is not, then it would be up to the individual to adhere to the law and only use that firearm on the legal portion of his/her property OR use the firearm that is legal throughout their property and avoid the issue completely. So the folks the next wood lot/area over where restriction are in place have no worries/aurgument then...... Even if only a few yards away? BTW..... I am no legal expert also ... But common sense comes in to play sometimes. Legally, I wouldn't think so, but if I were in that situation, I would check with the DNR and/or local law enforcement to be sure. |
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Post by tynimiller on May 11, 2015 9:47:10 GMT -5
I honestly don't understand how they feel it is right to allow the same cartridges out of a pistol but not out of a rifle....I have said from the beginning pass or not the HPR...EVERYTHING should match. Either the 30-06 round is legal or it isn't...what it goes through shouldn't matter. That coming from someone who personally wasn't for the HPRs...but is surprised it isn't passing.
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Post by greghopper on May 11, 2015 9:57:15 GMT -5
It is not "official" yet until the NRC takes a vote on it, but the DFW and the Administrative Law Judge thumbed it down. This is pretty well decided before this final meeting. It will be discussed, input (pro and con) taken from the public and then it will be voted down.. According to what the Administrative Law Judge said in her report they would like to pass it with restrictions (more than likely geographical) but they have time constraints.. It WILL be back.. You got link to where the law judge tuned it down..... Guess I missed that part! What meeting was it tuned down at ? I went to 2 here in Indy ... |
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Post by esshup on May 11, 2015 10:29:39 GMT -5
Crap.  |
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Post by deadeer on May 11, 2015 10:55:20 GMT -5
Crap. Yep same here. I was already leading the charge with new and exciting ventures. Guess I jumped the gun. No problem though, still have the two next best things out there, Encore pistol and smokeless mz's! We'll be OK. Jay |
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