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Post by single_shooter on Dec 10, 2014 17:08:18 GMT -5
I did not tag a deer in Indiana for many years. I lost a tag once while dragging it out...and I vowed I would never do that again. So from then on...I shoot deer...field dress deer...get deer to truck...load deer in truck...take deer to check-in...take tag out of pocket and hand to person at check-in. At some point in this process...usually after I get the deer loaded in the truck I take out my paper punch and make little holes in my tag so as to avoid any issues during transport.
Here in Missouri you do not have to attach a tag to the deer as long as you are physically with the deer. I like this system.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 10, 2014 18:01:51 GMT -5
One still needs the temporary tag..
According to this years Indiana Hunting/Trapping Guide........
The "confirmation number" must be written on the temporary tag..
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Post by swilk on Dec 10, 2014 18:24:07 GMT -5
And the transportation tag must be kept with the deer until processing begins.
Would field dressing be considered a part of processing? I think it would.....
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Post by greghopper on Dec 10, 2014 20:11:12 GMT -5
And the transportation tag must be kept with the deer until processing begins. Would field dressing be considered a part of processing? I think it would..... If that's the case then shooting one would be considered a part of processing!!!! Your grasping at straws... IMO
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Post by swilk on Dec 10, 2014 20:14:12 GMT -5
I'm not grasping....just throwing thoughts out there.
Regardless of what is or isn't considered processing the whole "immediately" thing needs some work.
But seriously.... wouldn't gutting it be step one in processing it?
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 10, 2014 20:45:04 GMT -5
I was told by a Game warden that in Indiana until you transport the deer it does not need tag affixed to the deer..it's a Transport tag.
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 10, 2014 20:48:45 GMT -5
I was told by a Game warden that in Indiana until you transport the deer it does not need tag affixed to the deer..it's a Transport tag. True... Before it is hoisted up on any mean of "transport" the tag has to be fixed. That includes an ATV for hauling it out of the woods. .
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Post by chubwub on Dec 10, 2014 20:49:46 GMT -5
I'm not grasping....just throwing thoughts out there. Regardless of what is or isn't considered processing the whole "immediately" thing needs some work. But seriously.... wouldn't gutting it be step one in processing it? Sounds like it to me. How about quartering it or caping it out?
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Post by swilk on Dec 10, 2014 20:52:45 GMT -5
No doubt I'm splitting a hair that would still come down to what the warden says....and I don't plan to ever internationally ask one to make that decision.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 10, 2014 20:56:56 GMT -5
I believe changing the word kill to recovery would clear a lot up.
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Post by swilk on Dec 10, 2014 21:02:12 GMT -5
I agree. Immediately upon recovery put the tag on it and leave it there until it is checked in AND reaches its final destination wherever that may be.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 10, 2014 21:06:16 GMT -5
I would say immediately upon recovery fill out your tag, attachment would only be required if deer was not in hunter's possession or being transported in a vehicle.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 10, 2014 21:09:20 GMT -5
I would say immediately upon recovery fill out your tag, attachment would only be required if deer was not in hunter's possession or being transported in a vehicle. BINGO...
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Post by swilk on Dec 10, 2014 21:10:04 GMT -5
I could live with either....
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Post by firstwd on Dec 10, 2014 21:12:35 GMT -5
I think we have a regulation change that is beneficial to hunters and wouldn't cause an uproar or infighting. :-)
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Post by swilk on Dec 10, 2014 21:13:58 GMT -5
Ha! That means it'll never happen.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 10, 2014 21:15:54 GMT -5
Ha! That means it'll never happen. :-D
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 11, 2014 12:12:46 GMT -5
I was told by a Game warden that in Indiana until you transport the deer it does not need tag affixed to the deer..it's a Transport tag. True... Before it is hoisted up on any mean of "transport" the tag has to be fixed. That includes an ATV for hauling it out of the woods. . Agreed!
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Post by 36fan on Dec 11, 2014 13:09:38 GMT -5
I was curious as to what the law actually says, so I looked it up. Per 312 IAC 9-3-2 ... (m) An individual must, immediately upon taking a deer, record on a piece of paper the following: (1) The name and address of the individual who took the deer. (2) The license number (if applicable) of the individual who took the deer. (3) The sex of the deer. (4) The month and day the deer was taken. The individual that takes the deer must retain possession of the completed piece of paper until the paper is attached to the deer. The piece of paper must be attached to the deer if the individual who takes the deer does not maintain direct physical control of and constant visual contact with the deer carcass. (n) An individual who takes a deer must cause delivery of the deer carcass to an official checking station for registration in the name of the individual who took the deer or cause the reporting of the take by providing the information required by the department's electronic harvest reporting system on the occurrence of the earlier of the following: (1) Within forty-eight (48) hours of the taking of the deer. (2) Before the deer is removed from this state. The individual who delivers the deer carcass to an official checking station for registration or reports the take on the department's electronic harvest reporting system must provide true and accurate information that includes the information on the piece of paper described in subsection (m). (o) The head of a deer must remain attached to the carcass until the deer is registered either at an official checking station or through the department's electronic harvest reporting system. (p) When a deer is registered, the following: (1) At an official deer checking station, the checking station operator must record the permanent seal number on the log, collect the piece of paper described in subsection (m), and give the seal to the individual. The individual must immediately affix the seal: (A) between a tendon and bone; (B) through a section of skin or flesh; or (C) around a branched antler; to prevent its removal (without cutting the seal or the body part to which it is affixed). The seal must be maintained until processing of the deer begins. (2) Using the department's electronic harvest reporting system, the individual who took the deer must record the confirmation number on the piece of paper described in subsection (m). This confirmation number must be maintained with the deer until processing of the deer begins.
so there it is ... however "take/taking" and "immediately" are not defined, although "processing" is:
312 IAC 9-1-12.6 "Processed" defined Sec. 12.6. "Processed" means wild animals that have been: (1) cut, wrapped, and frozen; (2) dried; (3) smoked; (4) canned (in tins or jars); (5) vacuum packed; or (6) otherwise preserved for long term storage and later consumption
Which leads us to "processing of the deer begins". This term is ambiguous. Could putting the heart and/or liver in a bag for later consumption be considered the beginning of processing? Or could possibly removing the tenderloins during field dressing and placing them in a bag for later consumption be considered the beginning of processing?
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Post by swilk on Dec 11, 2014 13:50:20 GMT -5
Ask 10 different thinking men and get 10 different answers.
Processing is the act that results in an animal being processed .... removing guts from carcass is a part of that process. Removing the hide. Removing meat from bone.
Of course gutting a deer is not what was meant when the law was drafted but in laws and regulations details matter.
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