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Post by firstwd on Nov 13, 2014 23:00:25 GMT -5
OK, the new front stuffer is here. Me likey!! :-)
Now, what bullet? This barrel has a 1:28 twist. My old inline has a medium speed twist and can shoot round ball and sabots equally well. I'm thinking not with this one.
So, sabots, powerbelts, or some other magical projectile I need to become chummy with?
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Post by drs on Nov 14, 2014 5:39:25 GMT -5
OK, the new front stuffer is here. Me likey!! :-) Now, what bullet? This barrel has a 1:28 twist. My old inline has a medium speed twist and can shoot round ball and sabots equally well. I'm thinking not with this one. So, sabots, powerbelts, or some other magical projectile I need to become chummy with? Try using 90.0 grains (Volume) of Triple "7" FFG loose powder. If your M/L is a .50 Cal. use a (Black) sabot with a Hornady XTP 250 grain .45 Caliber bullet. Use a 209 shotgun primer to fire it. Fire a few groups @ 100 yards (after sighting in at 50 yards) then go from there until you develop an accurate load. |
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Post by parson on Nov 14, 2014 7:44:30 GMT -5
I use a 240 gr. xtp with a green hornady sabot, with 100 gr. of Pyrodex. This has been a good load in my old 50 cal. Knight- I'm not sure what the twist is.
I have found that Muzzleloaders can be very "individualistic" when it comes to finding what they like. My son & I have identical rifles that favor different loads.
XTP bullets have performed well for me, in MZs, as well as 44 mag.
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Post by trapperdave on Nov 14, 2014 10:20:08 GMT -5
avoid power belts!
they tumble out of my inline and give shiddy results on game
shockwaves always drop em for me
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Nov 14, 2014 12:24:32 GMT -5
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Post by firstwd on Nov 14, 2014 12:24:32 GMT -5
I've used Hornaday sabotage for years. Black plastic with 240gr solid lead 44 call bullet. I guess the old stand by is the best place to start with the new gun.
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Post by drs on Nov 14, 2014 13:53:48 GMT -5
avoid power belts! they tumble out of my inline and give shiddy results on game shockwaves always drop em for me I tried those "power belt" bullets once and they "keyholed" when I fired them at a 100 yard target. Never tried Shockwave though, always used Hornady XTP 250 grainers with T/C black Sabots.  |
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Post by trapperdave on Nov 14, 2014 14:16:03 GMT -5
iirc, they are the same bullets just different branding (shockwaves and hornady xtps)
quick check, its the hornady sst thats the same
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Post by esshup on Nov 26, 2014 13:31:30 GMT -5
iirc, they are the same bullets just different branding (shockwaves and hornady xtps) quick check, its the hornady sst thats the same Yep. Red plastic tip is Hornady, yellow plastic tip is shockwave, blue plastic tip (if they're still made) was the "bonded" shockwave/SST bullet. |
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Post by schoolmaster on Nov 28, 2014 21:59:14 GMT -5
The Barnes 250 mz in the black HPH-24 sabot works for me.
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Post by single_shooter on Feb 15, 2015 11:24:49 GMT -5
Did you get a bullet chosen yet? Did it perform well?
Now...order up a couple dozen from prbullet.com and be prepared to fall in love. I had always used Hornady 44 cal. XTP 240 grain pistol bullets. I would buy them bulk and buy a bag of sabots to go with them.
I then saw a video for these bullets and decided to try them, since I am always happy to try something to see if it works better than what I have been doing.
At 50 yards...using the same powder load and a 240 grain bullet from PR Bullet it still hit dead center....just 8 inches higher than the XTP. Their velocity and accuracy is amazing. You will love their performance on deer.
Hit the site....read their info...but whatever you do....just try the bullets.
My best and favorite proof was when the wife and I were sitting in a ground blind and a row of does were walking right at us. I took aim at the lead doe between the shoulder and the breast bone and prepared to shoot when the wife had her sights set on one. Just when she gave the signal to shoot, my doe turned a little as I pulled the trigger. The bullet creased her shoulder...entered in the rib cage just behind the shoulder and exited the same side just behind the ribs. Never hit any vital organs...never crossed and exited thru the opposite side like we want...just in and out a foot apart on the same side. That doe dropped dead 40 yards away. The cavitation damage was nothing short of amazing. There was a patch of broken blood vessels nearly up to her spine and her lung had basically exploded and her chest was like jell-o as if a bullet had passed thru it. I was simply shocked and amazed and have never even considered using anything but these bullets now.
I used to work at SIA in Lafayette and after relating this story to a few guys one of them tried them and he came back with similar results. After that several of the guys I worked with touted of their accuracy and devastating effectiveness.
But you try them out and see what you think...
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Post by art338wm on Aug 12, 2015 15:53:39 GMT -5
For the money you can not beat the performance of XTP's. XTP's have likely been responsible for more inline deer kills than just about any ML specific bullet. Having said that, I have shot about 8 out of 10 of available muzzleloader suitable bullets out of my 10ML-II or my Encore, both .50 caliber and presently use only ML bullets of .458" diameter out of my .50 caliber ML's. Reason is the tighter the fit you have in a .50 cal ML the higher your chances of obtaining accuracy.
I use only Harvester Sabots available OTC at Cabelas, or at their website. Have found them to be best OUT OF MY ML's. I figure if they withstand the pressures of my smokeless 10ML-II pushing 300grn Barnes Original SSP bullets at 2450MV, they will handle 777 or BH209 no problem.
I can recommend the fallowing affordable.50 caliber suitable muzzleloader bullets:
>.452" 250 and 300 grain XTP
>Harvester 300 grain 45 caliber Scorpion ML bullets
>Hornady 325 grain FTX .458 bullets
>Hornady 300 grain SJ/HP.458" 45/70 rifle bullets
>Remington 300 grain SJ/HP .457 45/70 rifle bullets.
These Bullets also worked extremely well in my ML's but are more expensive.
>Barnes 300 grain .458" copper jacketed lead core semi-spitzer for 45/70
>Barnes all copper 250 and 290 grain .451" flat based T-EZ ML specific bullets.
If you wish you can go to Harvester Muzzleloading's website, get their 800 PH# and call them, and tell them your a newbee ML shooter and they will likely send you a FREE sample pack of their sabots to try, just know what bullet your likely to use prior to calling.
If I were you, I would try anyone of the affordable bullets I listed, all will should serve you well. I was able to achieve quite acceptable hunting accuracy with all of them, and all have excellent proven on game performance.
Lastly I can't recommend strongly enough you give Black Horn 209 BP sub a try. It gave me the best most consistent accuracy I ever achieved out of my ML's, and considering I have combined fired out of three ML's total in excess of 2500 loadings, that's saying something. Before I tried BH209 went through POUNDS of 3-F 777 loose powder and hundreds of Pyrodex RS 50grn pellets. After just one outing with BH209, I gave away all my remaining 777 and Pyrodex pellets to my friends.
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