Indiana: Columbus to Consider Firearm Registration Ordinance

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Indiana: Columbus to Consider Firearm Registration Ordinance Jan 30, 2014 13:27:43 GMT -5

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Post by Boilermaker on Jan 30, 2014 13:27:43 GMT -5

This is straight from the NRA-ILA's website. I am not sure of all the logistics behind this as I just received it in an e-mail a few minutes ago. I have never known the City of Columbus to be concerned about restricting anyone's second amendment right before this. I am assuming this only pertains to those within city limits, and I'm hoping this never passes the Council.

Indiana: Columbus to Consider Firearm Registration Ordinance

Posted on January 29, 2014

On Tuesday, February 4, the Columbus City Council will consider a proposed ordinance which would require “secondhand dealers” to register all firearms with Leads Online, a third party property registration service provider. The proposed ordinance blatantly disregards Indiana’s firearm preemption law and is an overreach of the Columbus City Council’s authority.

The proposed ordinance would violate current state law:

IC 35-47-11.1-2
Political subdivision regulation of firearms, ammunition, and firearm accessories prohibited
Sec. 2. Except as provided in section 4 of this chapter, a political subdivision may not regulate:
(1) firearms, ammunition, and firearm accessories;
(2) the ownership, possession, carrying, transportation, registration, transfer, and storage of firearms, ammunition, and firearm accessories; and
(3) commerce in and taxation of firearms, firearm ammunition, and firearm accessories.

A locality may not regulate the registration of firearms, ammunition, and firearm accessories. By requiring a “secondhand dealer” of firearms to enter each firearm into a database, the City of Columbus would be in violation of the Indiana firearms preemption statute.

This City Council meeting will take place at 6:00 p.m. on Tuesday, February 4. Please attend this meeting and make your opposition heard at this location:

City Hall
123 Washington Street
Columbus, Indiana 47201

If you are unable to attend this city council meeting, please contact each council member and Mayor Brown and let them know you oppose any gun registration scheme. Contact information for the mayor and council members is provided below.

Mayor Kristen Brown
(812) 376-2500
mayor@columbus.in.gov

Councilmember Dascal Bunch (R-District 1)
dbunch@columbus.in.gov

Councilmember Ryan Brand (R-District 2)
rbrand@columbus.in.gov

Councilmember Frank Jerome (R-District 3)
fjerome@columbus.in.gov

Councilmember Frank Miller (R-District 4)
fmiller@columbus.in.gov

Councilmember Tim Shuffett (R-District 5)
tshuffett@columbus.in.gov

Councilmember Jim Lienhoop (R-At Large)
jlienhoop@columbus.in.gov

Councilmember Kenny Whipker (R-At Large)
kwhipker@columbus.in.gov

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Sasquatch Major Contributor Posts: 9,047	Indiana: Columbus to Consider Firearm Registration Ordinance Jan 30, 2014 13:49:14 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Sasquatch on Jan 30, 2014 13:49:14 GMT -5 Passing that would be a good way to get some new Council members next time around.

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Indiana: Columbus to Consider Firearm Registration Ordinance Jan 30, 2014 13:52:04 GMT -5

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Post by Boilermaker on Jan 30, 2014 13:52:04 GMT -5

One councilman's response:

"Here is the language in the proposed ordinance. I want to be clear, this ordinance was created by the Council. The Mayor’s office and the police department are the ones pushing this change.

I have asked for some additional clarification from the City Attorney.

In the definitions portion of the ordinance….

Secondhand Dealer. Is defined as a person, firm, or corporation engaged in the buying, selling, trading, or otherwise acquiring secondhand property for business purposes.

Thanks for your concern. Lots to still discuss on this topic."

kevin1 Major Contributor Posts: 6,041	Indiana: Columbus to Consider Firearm Registration Ordinance Feb 16, 2014 8:03:44 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by kevin1 on Feb 16, 2014 8:03:44 GMT -5 It'll get shot down in the courts since it contradicts state law, stupid of them to try it.
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dbd870 Global Moderator I'm So Confused Posts: 12,118	Indiana: Columbus to Consider Firearm Registration Ordinance Feb 16, 2014 8:16:40 GMT -5 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by dbd870 on Feb 16, 2014 8:16:40 GMT -5 It has already been cut out; perhaps their atty advised them of that.

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Indiana: Columbus to Consider Firearm Registration Ordinance Feb 16, 2014 8:34:14 GMT -5

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Post by drs on Feb 16, 2014 8:34:14 GMT -5

Just another "feeble" attempt for those Anti-Gun individuals to try to control peoples lives. Like ALL the gun control laws since 1968, this won't do anything except place more burden on law abiding gun owners. Those politicians, supporting this, should realize they might not have a political position or job next election!

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Indiana: Columbus to Consider Firearm Registration Ordinance Feb 16, 2014 11:11:54 GMT -5

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Post by firstwd on Feb 16, 2014 11:11:54 GMT -5

It actually was not an attack on gun owners, buyers, or sellers. It was written to match ordinances of other major cities to help recover stolen property being sold to pawn shops and secondhand stores. Yes the idea is a good one, but implementation wasn't very good. They were trying to force these businesses to report most everything they took in to a third party database company. The program is already voluntary in Columbus but few use it. Unless I am wildly mistaken, anybody with a retail license, like I believe all these stores have, must go through the normal State and Federal paperwork to sell firearms. Which means they already report all gun sales.

Is reporting inventory to a law enforcement accessible database an infringement on privacy? Not if it is the stuff stolen out of your house.

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Is it immoral to indulge the insistence of an unarmed man to a dual of whits?

I inappropriately apportioned my physical response to an emotional reaction.

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Indiana: Columbus to Consider Firearm Registration Ordinance Feb 16, 2014 14:41:49 GMT -5

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Post by Russ Koon on Feb 16, 2014 14:41:49 GMT -5

I see what you mean, firstwd, but....if the regulation proposed regulation pertains ONLY to firearms, and not other commonly stolen items that are frequently fenced, then isn't it by definition another "gun law" and thus in violation of the state laws have higher jurisdiction?

Maybe it would be legal if it did include any "re-sellers" handling of all commonly stolen items, such as x-boxes and flat-screens and cameras, but the next question would be whether there is any history of such registration being successful in preventing or solving crime. The odds against stolen stuff turning up in any such database would seem pretty scant to me. The computers have the ability to check millions of numbers per second, but they still depend on the numbers of such stolen stuff to be recorded accurately, and there would need to be a trail of evidence that supported the assumption that the person who hocked the item was the thief, and not just someone who bought the item at a yard sale or off CL.

Sounds like another scheme that sounds better than it would likely work, and that would considerably increase the workload on those re-sellers, and thus their overhead, with little or no benefit to anyone.

I think we'd all be better off if the same requirements of "safety AND EFFICACY" were applied to new legislation that the government insists on for new drugs. There are already too many laws that were passed with good intentions but little grasp on reality. Those are usually ignored by most folks, including the outlaws they were intended to deter or catch, while remaining on the books to hinder the honest folks who try hard to stay legal.

Of course most proposed laws fall into that category as far as I'm concerned.

I thought at one point that I might just be getting old and grumpy, but somewhere I read a quote that stated that "all the good and necessary laws were passed long ago, so most new ones proposed are bad and/or unneeded". Made me feel better about being so critical 8^)

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Indiana: Columbus to Consider Firearm Registration Ordinance Feb 16, 2014 18:21:55 GMT -5

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Post by firstwd on Feb 16, 2014 18:21:55 GMT -5

It covered everything except big items like vehicles, boats, and appliances so I don't see it as a "gun" law. The thing that bothers me is the misinformation or out right lies the headline on the NRA-ILA website promote.
I'm pro gun, just anti lying to get my way.

Is it immoral to indulge the insistence of an unarmed man to a dual of whits?

I inappropriately apportioned my physical response to an emotional reaction.

Indiana: Columbus to Consider Firearm Registration Ordinance

Post by Boilermaker on Jan 30, 2014 13:27:43 GMT -5

Post by Sasquatch on Jan 30, 2014 13:49:14 GMT -5

Post by Boilermaker on Jan 30, 2014 13:52:04 GMT -5

Post by kevin1 on Feb 16, 2014 8:03:44 GMT -5

Post by dbd870 on Feb 16, 2014 8:16:40 GMT -5

Post by drs on Feb 16, 2014 8:34:14 GMT -5

Post by firstwd on Feb 16, 2014 11:11:54 GMT -5

Post by Russ Koon on Feb 16, 2014 14:41:49 GMT -5

Post by firstwd on Feb 16, 2014 18:21:55 GMT -5