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Post by bucshunter on Jan 3, 2014 12:27:46 GMT -5
I took a small 8 pt this year with a 44 Mag rifle. The shot was 30 yds, good placement, got a passthrough and good bloodtrail but the buck went 150 yds! The load I used was Winchester White Box 240 grain.
I wasn't happy with how far this deer went and would like to hear some feedback on the 460 S & W. Do you folks think this is the best Factory option available? What factory loads have you used on deer? I don't reload so the 358 wildcats are out.
Thanks.
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Post by esshup on Jan 3, 2014 14:02:16 GMT -5
Ruger made a Ruger Number 1 Medium Sporter in .460, but it was discontinued for 2013. I know of no factory .460 rifles currently in production. You can get a custom built, but I think it'd have to be either a single shot or a lever gun, and you'd have to watch which platrorm you used because of the pressure that the .460 develops. IIRC Wild West Guns (Alaska) makes custom lever guns and they might be able to make you one.
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Post by HuntMeister on Jan 3, 2014 14:18:50 GMT -5
Sounds like it was a success, you have a dead deer. Don't get me wrong, not trying to change your mind on going to a .460 but it is entirely possible that you would have got the same results with the .460. Every shot animal will react differently, one variable that we cannot control.
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Post by swilk on Jan 3, 2014 14:28:43 GMT -5
.023 difference in bullet diameter.
There is little a 460 can do that a 44 cant do. I would not invest the money in a 460 just because you had a deer run 150 yards after being shot with a 44.
Buy one if you want one ...... but it aint gonna kill a deer any deader or more reliably than the 44.
What happens if you hit one with a 460 that runs 150 yards?
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Post by parson on Jan 3, 2014 14:54:14 GMT -5
Some deer are just going to run a while. I personally believe that a lot of the "dropped it in it's tracks" tales are exaggerated.
I've dropped a few on the spot, but I've tracked a few also. When I lived in MD I hunted with 30-06 and 243. Same thing; some went right down while other ran a ways.
Having said that, buying a new rifle isn't a bad thing.
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Post by swilk on Jan 3, 2014 14:58:44 GMT -5
I missed a part of the original question .... what is the best factory option available. If that is meant to ask what is the best factory option available to anchor a deer right where he stands I would have to go with a 12g shotgun.
As subtle as a sledge hammer but few rounds are as devastating at ranges under 100 yards than a 12g slug.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 3, 2014 15:54:24 GMT -5
I missed a part of the original question .... what is the best factory option available. If that is meant to ask what is the best factory option available to anchor a deer right where he stands I would have to go with a 12g shotgun. As subtle as a sledge hammer but few rounds are as devastating at ranges under 100 yards than a 12g slug. I've had a couple double lunged slug shot deer run a 100 yards, but most are boom-flop..
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Post by esshup on Jan 3, 2014 20:02:40 GMT -5
My bad, at first read I took it to mean is the .460 the best performing CF factory round for deer hunting in Indiana.
Looking at the question a different way, I'd say the answer is "the most accurate weapon that you can shoot". If you don't want to track deer after the shot, then get one that is gnats azz accurate and either head/neck shoot 'em or shoot them in the spine with a high shoulder shot. They drop in their tracks when hit in those places.
For the past few years I've been using my Savage Muzzleloader. I rebarreled it to .45 cal, and I shoot the 195g Barnes .40 cal bullet pushed by a healthy dose of H-4198. MV is 2850 fps with that bullet, and I shoot 1/2 moa groups at 100 yds. Sighted in at 200 yds, it's 2" high at 100, 9" low at 300 and if you want to run it out to 400 yds, it drops 27" out there. Still has 1200 fpe at that distance too. 2 years ago I shot a doe at 20 yds that was facing me. (I was on the ground). I put the crosshairs where the bottom of her neck joined her chest and squeezed. Her legs folded up and she went down so fast that she didn't even roll on her side. I'd be looking at an Indiana legal CF deer rifle if I didn't have that Savage, but if I can't increase the performance, why should I spend the $$? From the muzzle to 250 yds it only rises 2 1/16" and drops 3.5" so I just hold right on the middle of the deer and squeeze the trigger. If it looks like it's past 200 yds I'll break out the rangefinder, but inside that there is no need for one.
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Post by bucshunter on Jan 3, 2014 22:09:49 GMT -5
I was a little unclear but yes is the 460 s&w the most effective factory rifle round for Indiana deer hunting? I'm not including shotguns or muzzy's in this. Thanks.
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Post by coyote6974 on Jan 5, 2014 14:14:17 GMT -5
I've concluded that if you shoot deer through the lungs or the heart, as most of us do, they will run a little ways no matter what you shoot them with. My cartridge of choice since handguns became legal has been the .44 magnum. I've shot many deer with .44 magnum handguns, and now with .44 magnum rifles. If I shoot them through the heart, nearly all of them will run 75 to 150 yards. They always leave an easy to follow blood trail, and have always been dead when I walk up to them. I used to shoot the 240 grain soft point WW white box ammo, then started using 250 grain Winchester partition gold factory loads, until it became difficult to find. I now use 240 grain Hornady XTP HP's over 20 grains of 2400. This fall I shot a doe similar to how the OP shot his buck. The shot was 25 yards. The doe kicked then ran into the brush. I gave her about 10 minutes before following the vivid blood trail. She had gone about 75 yards and was done when I walked up on her. The bullet had gone through her heart, plowing a trough across the top of it, then had exited through her off side shoulder. The shoulder was broken, but I didn't notice her favoring it when I watched her run off. Since spine shots and head shots are not something I want to do, I have accepted that deer will simply run, and blood trailing them is part of deer hunting. As to the S&W 460? I'd think it would be a great deer round too, but I think deer shot with it, as I shoot them with my .44's, would run just as far.
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 5, 2014 16:20:24 GMT -5
I suspect you are right. Never taken one with my 500 but not expecting it to be much different than my 44. My 357max rifle is running over 2000fps which is where HPR wounding mechanics supposedly come in to play. It only has 4 deer to it's name, but none have gone over 25yds or so and a couple only a few yds.
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Post by swilk on Jan 5, 2014 16:30:14 GMT -5
I've seen guys lose deer hit with 358BFG's....
Guys who are what I would consider steady of nerves and good shots.
No such thing as a sure thing.
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Post by RoadKill on Jan 5, 2014 21:19:38 GMT -5
460 S&W is a good round. I had an Encore with Thompson Center barrel, it did fine. A functional equal is the 450 Bushmaster.
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Post by esshup on Jan 8, 2014 8:55:29 GMT -5
Last deer that I shot this year was a doe at approx. 80 yards. She was shot Saturday, Jan 4th. .40 cal. 195g Barnes "X" bullet. Impact velocity approximately 2477 fps. Broadside shot, double lung. Shot a bit far back, missed both shoulders, although the bullet was far enough forward that it did not penetrate the diaphram. Exit hole was slightly larger than a $0.50 piece. She ran approx. 100 yds and laid down, spraying blood out of the exit side the whole way. She left an 8" dia puddle of blood in the bed, got up and moved another 20 yds before falling over. I couldn't believe she went that far with that kind of a wound. Just goes to show that not every deer will act the same when hit. She was pretty relaxed when shot; she was with 4 others in the process of moving from a feeding area to a bedding area. They had no clue I was there.
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Post by crackednock on Jan 8, 2014 14:19:48 GMT -5
Stay away from the Honaday's. I used them on several deer till they were gone. They tear deer up pretty Bad. Go with the Barnes and such.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jan 8, 2014 15:51:35 GMT -5
I have had nothing but good luck on deer out of my .357 mag using Leverevolutions..
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Post by single_shooter on Jan 8, 2014 19:35:08 GMT -5
I have not yet had a deer run after being hit with my 44 mag rifle shooting the Hornady 240 grain rounds. Exit wound usually looks like a baseball went through them.
But....I have had a deer run about 60 yards after being hit in both lungs and the heart with a 12 ga. slug by my wife. There was a big hunk of the rear of the heart missing (we could actually see the grooves from the slug in the meat of the heart)
There is never a certainty when it comes to results of the shot. I have had deer drop in their tracks from a bow shot of seemingly nominal terminal effects by our standards...but had deer run 200 yards after having an arrow through the heart from directly in front of them. You just never know and cannot say with any certainty what will happen after the shot.
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Post by crackednock on Jan 9, 2014 6:28:41 GMT -5
I was talking about the flex tips on the 460 S&W. They tore up the deer pretty bad.
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