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Post by raporter on Oct 1, 2013 18:41:03 GMT -5
So I receive this notice today that due to the shutdown we are not to enter the Patoka National Wildlife Refuge.
So just who does the refuge belong to? It is not as if you have a guide when you are on them and you do not sign in and out so by telling us we are not allowed them who is going to keep us off?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 18:47:18 GMT -5
Won't be nobody there to keep you out. Doubt the gate will be open unless you have an obama sticker on your bumper
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Post by raporter on Oct 1, 2013 21:40:58 GMT -5
Not even a gate there Timex. If I wanted to go I would just go. It is a huge area.
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Post by kevin1 on Oct 4, 2013 14:01:49 GMT -5
Not even a gate there Timex. If I wanted to go I would just go. It is a huge area. I don't recall seeing a gate in your backyard either, Bob...
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Post by raporter on Oct 4, 2013 14:34:00 GMT -5
Not even a gate there Timex. If I wanted to go I would just go. It is a huge area. I don't recall seeing a gate in your backyard either, Bob... If there was Kevin it would be down now.
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Post by ms660 on Oct 4, 2013 19:23:40 GMT -5
Actually PNWR has many gates. I help put some of them up. About everything is foot traffic only.
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Post by Russ Koon on Oct 5, 2013 10:05:40 GMT -5
This issue is an important one for the public to consider.
Does the land actually belong to the federal government, or is the federal government just responsible for the management of the property?
Does "management" of properties mean controlling access by the owners, or just limiting the activities permitted thereon?
And in the absence of personnel to do active management, should the default option be the complete closure of the public property, or simply the cessation of management efforts that require their presence? A gate left open seems to me require even less tending by federal employees than one locked closed.
If the answers to these questions come out one way when considering National Wildlife Refuges, and a different way when considering National Forests, why?
And how does the principle apply to US Highways, Interstates, Railroads, etc.,.....even schools,banks, and hospitals that operate under considerable federal regulation?
Has King Barrack I actually gained the total control he seeks?
Is it time to dump his tea in the harbor? Is it already too late to attempt to correct our course by voting and educating?
We seem to be rapidly approaching the "interesting times" of the old Chinese curse.
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Post by DUCKMASTER1 on Oct 5, 2013 10:57:24 GMT -5
I may travel up there to Patoka area on Sunday, and I can give you a live report on the issue. I do not think they can shut it down for most roads are county roads, and they should not cut off county roads since the public travel them. Just a thought o ponder on. But I will go check on Sunday.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 5, 2013 11:18:14 GMT -5
I may travel up there to Patoka area on Sunday, and I can give you a live report on the issue. I do not think they can shut it down for most roads are county roads, and they should not cut off county roads since the public travel them. Just a thought o ponder on. But I will go check on Sunday. Supposedly the Feds shut down some state roads leading to Mt. Rushmore .. Dictator Obama and his bunch will do whatever that they want unless stopped by the court.
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Post by tenring on Oct 5, 2013 11:52:27 GMT -5
Best way to put the Kenyan and Harry Reid in their place is for State Police and County Sheriff's to go out and tell the Feds to quit obstructing a public thoroughfare, and the moment they give them any back talk, arrest them and haul them off. Grow some Cajones folks!
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Post by GS1 on Oct 5, 2013 15:24:47 GMT -5
In Nebraska, and I assume other plains states with cattle, public, county roads are gated all across the prairie.
Some locked and some monitored.
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Post by DUCKMASTER1 on Oct 5, 2013 16:15:26 GMT -5
up here at patoka federal area, there are county roads they people use to go to their homes, and state dnr grounds are on the same roads.
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Post by firstwd on Oct 5, 2013 16:48:17 GMT -5
Like the monuments in D.C. getting closed and gated off, it is just a government ploy to hurt the little guy and gain attention to "open" the government back up. Why is there so much attention given to furloughed workers? Why are military paychecks in jeopardy, but the people who can't do their job -Congress- still gets paid?
It is all about an entity that should have no power trying to prove they are total power. It is time they get put in their place. It is time for a reset, and the federal government get knocked down several levels and this country get back to taking care of ourselves. It is getting ever closer to another revolution, just like history has shown over and over again. A country survives for about 200 years. Once the "governors" start boosting their own worth, it is only a matter of time before the people lash out and put them in their place.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Oct 5, 2013 17:38:13 GMT -5
Like the monuments in D.C. getting closed and gated off, it is just a government ploy to hurt the little guy and gain attention to "open" the government back up. Why is there so much attention given to furloughed workers? Why are military paychecks in jeopardy, but the people who can't do their job -Congress- still gets paid? It is all about an entity that should have no power trying to prove they are total power. It is time they get put in their place. It is time for a reset, and the federal government get knocked down several levels and this country get back to taking care of ourselves. It is getting ever closer to another revolution, just like history has shown over and over again. A country survives for about 200 years. Once the "governors" start boosting their own worth, it is only a matter of time before the people lash out and put them in their place. It's always painful, but a necessity. The ironic part of it is that the people let them put themselves in that position.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 18:59:11 GMT -5
I know Clarks River NWR here in KY is Shut Down right now.
Land Between the Lakes however is actually open to Hunting, Hiking, and Back country Camping right now.
However, all other LBL facilities are closed until further notice.
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Oct 5, 2013 22:35:24 GMT -5
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Post by DUCKMASTER1 on Oct 6, 2013 12:50:34 GMT -5
I may wait until later in the week, with all the rain we have had down here, I am afraid that the rivers may be out some and flood out the roads, so will have to wait until middle of the week. But I will check with some of my buddies that live close to their.
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Post by DUCKMASTER1 on Oct 7, 2013 16:29:22 GMT -5
I talked to a buddy of mine that lives up in Pike county. Asked him if roads were closed in the Patoka Federal Wildlife area. He said roads were open, none of them were blocked. Says Fed ground is supposed to be closed, but a lot of State land boarders it, some State land you have to cross federal land to get to. So my guess is hunt on your own risk. I would not know if a Game Warden would write you a ticket or not? That is a tuff question.
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Post by squirrelhunter on Oct 9, 2013 14:53:05 GMT -5
Don't know about here but here's a post from another site that tried hunting the National Forest in California.
"A group of us went out to D19 this weekend at a yellow post site that rangers have never even visited while the group has been using for the last 20 years. We received 3 visits and notice to vacate because of govt. shutdown. When we refused, they gave us 24 hrs or $10, 000 fine and or 6 mths in jail."
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 9, 2013 17:04:11 GMT -5
Don't know about here but here's a post from another site that tried hunting the National Forest in California. "A group of us went out to D19 this weekend at a yellow post site that rangers have never even visited while the group has been using for the last 20 years. We received 3 visits and notice to vacate because of govt. shutdown. When we refused, they gave us 24 hrs or $10, 000 fine and or 6 mths in jail." It is costing more to shut things down than it would be to keep it running. Only the government could do that.... .
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