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Post by piercings4u on Sept 23, 2013 21:47:10 GMT -5
Just wondering what you guys think about the rut this season...do you think it will be early, late or on time?
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Post by firstwd on Sept 24, 2013 1:20:45 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by tenring on Sept 24, 2013 7:07:20 GMT -5
The peak might be 7-10 days past the second full moon after the autumnal equinox. It's all about how much light hits the deers eyes. YMMV
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Post by swilk on Sept 24, 2013 7:18:34 GMT -5
The peak might be 7-10 days past the second full moon after the autumnal equinox. It's all about how much light hits the deers eyes. YMMV Fall equinox is September 22 .... the second full moon after this date is November 17. Very seriously doubt if the peak of our rut will be the last week of November. Trickle rut?
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 24, 2013 7:24:41 GMT -5
I'm betting on my old stand by - November 10
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Post by HuntMeister on Sept 24, 2013 8:32:44 GMT -5
IMHO, Same time this year as last and the year before that and the year before that and so on. I believe the weather affects what we hunters experience during daylight hours. Warm weather equals less activity witnessed during the daytime.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 8:41:25 GMT -5
I can't imagine the moon not having some effect on breeding urges of bucks and does. After all it effects most other animals and fish, why not deer. With the full moon after the 15th this year, I'll go with a less defined rut or a trickle rut. In other words you may or may not see any rutting action at all. Being that most of it will occur at night.
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Post by tenring on Sept 24, 2013 8:46:45 GMT -5
After visiting several sites to pinpoint when the full moons are in Indiana, the "chasing" phase would be 10-13 November. Using common sense, add 3 days on either end, and it "might" read 7-16 November. YMMV
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Post by boonechaser on Sept 24, 2013 10:20:43 GMT -5
Contray to some's belief's, it is my 34 year's hunting experience that tell's me the RUT take's place within 3 or 4 days, the same time every year. (Now this doesn't sell magazine's, but it is the truth.) There are factor's that may influence daytime activity such as weather, moon phase, hunting pressure etc, but you can bet the ranch that chasing phase will be around Nov 1 - 15 and and first breeding phase 15-30 give or take a few day's. Earliest i've actually seen a buck breed a doe was Oct 26th. My preference is to hunt the pre-rut espically hard and i'd quess 75% of the mature buck's i've killed have been killed Oct 25th - Nov 10th during the pre-rut phase.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 10:26:13 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, the words "the RUT" are the two most misunderstood and misused words in a hunters vocabulary.
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Post by swilk on Sept 24, 2013 11:17:30 GMT -5
One thing is for sure, the words "the RUT" are the two most misunderstood and misused words in a hunters vocabulary. Yep ..... I think for most conversations we intend to mean the peak of breeding and buck activity. Breeding actually takes place from the second the first doe comes into heat until the last doe is bred. Early October until January ... February maybe? Lots of factors can and do effect how and when we see buck activity during the rut ... but the one thing I know for sure is I want to be in a tree every second I can possibly manage between November 1 and November 20. If I am in a tree during that time sooner or later I will get my opportunity.
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Post by boonechaser on Sept 24, 2013 16:28:54 GMT -5
I suppose you are correct Timex. "RUT" for me it is pre-breeding and primary breeding phases I refer to when I use the word. By definition i believe from the moment a buck starts to grow bone and untill he sheds rack he is technically in some phase.
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Post by tenring on Sept 24, 2013 20:37:06 GMT -5
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Sept 25, 2013 5:22:25 GMT -5
Same time-frame as usual for the pre-rut & the rut! It could be trickle &/or full-blown depending on the daytime temps when we can see em & shot em.
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Post by boonechaser on Sept 25, 2013 10:13:37 GMT -5
My understanding of a "Trickle Rut" is a lack of primary rutting activity due to over population??? OR Too many does and not enough bucks to breed them all. (This definition came From Dr. Deer-James Kroll), with that said and the extra doe season's that have been added and the increased bag limit's for antlerless deer I am curious to why some of you believe we will have a "trickel rut". Stand's to reason that with fewer does that we should have a very good Primary Rut this season. (Just my thoughts) Interested to hear other's opinion's.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2013 10:47:15 GMT -5
A trickle rut is a long drawn out rut instead of a quick week long peak. Can be caused by several factors. Including moon phase imo. Most areas had one last year. Still doesn't mean you can't have a great day in the woodsbut with the does being in estrus at widely different times it may mean less intense action. Some times its not even noticed. All depends on the does.
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Post by boonechaser on Sept 25, 2013 11:51:31 GMT -5
Last season I had 3 day's like I had never seen before. 1 morning I saw 13 different bucks, 2 evenings later I saw 8 different buck's. This was Nov 7 and Nov 9. In 3 days I saw 26 buck's. (WOW) HAPPY,HAPPY,HAPPY and I killed a buck on the 11th. 3.5 yr old 8pt. (Mid 120's) I personally think Rutting activity can vary from as little as a couple mile's away. Buck doe ratio is key to me,if you don't keep the local does in check there will be little competition for the does and less seeking. Keep your doe number's down and you have buck's out looking at all hour's of the day. I can't control the MOON and I can't control WEATHER , but I can control the number of does running around my farm and neighbor's. (Similar deer goals) I set a goal for my farm before season based on number's we are seeeing during the summer. This year we are looking to kill 12-15 off. Last year we killed 8. Been seeing far more does than buck's this year so gonna hit them hard early bow season. last year it was vice versa. Saw lot's of buck's and fewer does.
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Post by steve46511 on Sept 25, 2013 13:15:32 GMT -5
I predict the rut to happen mostly where I am NOT. LOL! (Conditioned response)
But......agree with the pack. By my birthday of Nov 13 it HAS BEEN happening pretty hard in any year I recall and will wane down much past that.
We can push em till they are mostly nocturnal but......the rut is still happening. What each of us SEES is a grain of sand in the big picture of what is happening state wide.......or even across the road, IMHO.
That day......I'm in the woods, kids, if not "done"
God Bless
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Post by Ahawkeye on Sept 25, 2013 13:31:14 GMT -5
Last season I had 3 day's like I had never seen before. 1 morning I saw 13 different bucks, 2 evenings later I saw 8 different buck's. This was Nov 7 and Nov 9. In 3 days I saw 26 buck's. (WOW) HAPPY,HAPPY,HAPPY and I killed a buck on the 11th. 3.5 yr old 8pt. (Mid 120's) I personally think Rutting activity can vary from as little as a couple mile's away. Buck doe ratio is key to me,if you don't keep the local does in check there will be little competition for the does and less seeking. Keep your doe number's down and you have buck's out looking at all hour's of the day. I can't control the MOON and I can't control WEATHER , but I can control the number of does running around my farm and neighbor's. (Similar deer goals) I set a goal for my farm before season based on number's we are seeeing during the summer. This year we are looking to kill 12-15 off. Last year we killed 8. Been seeing far more does than buck's this year so gonna hit them hard early bow season. last year it was vice versa. Saw lot's of buck's and fewer does. I had the same thing happen to me I agree does in check = a great chasing/cruising stage. I hunt public ground and haven't seen that many deer from a stand in a LOOOONG time. Mostly 6's fourkies and spikes didn't see but one doe can't wait to get back in the stand but probably won't venture to that stand till Oct. 19th or so (too many ticks in that area)
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Post by boonechaser on Sept 25, 2013 14:31:29 GMT -5
Pretty sure we all agree the month of november is the best. My biggest buck killed with bow was 159 gross 154 net 10 pt. Walking into my hunting area at 3:00 p.m. on Oct 21, 1991 I came upon a fresh scrape the size of a car hood and a rub as big as my thigh. I climbed a tree 20 yds downwind of the scrape with climber at 3:15 I hit the grunt tube with 3 soft grunt's. 2 min's later the buck appeared hair on the back of his neck standing up and trashing every sampling in sight . Shortly thereafter he took a arrow though his vital's and the rest is history. My guess is that a doe had came in heat a little early and he had staked his claim on her. Just got lucky seeing the sign and smart enough to know to get in a tree close to the sign. So Oct 21st hold's a special place in my memory bank and every year since that is the day that serious hunting begin's for me.
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