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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 18, 2013 20:57:47 GMT -5
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 18, 2013 22:07:06 GMT -5
LOL Great quote Woody.
Ohhhhhh, it pains me to think about it. I feel like I'm beginning to side with the conspiracy theorist; I think it's deliberate. The man wants to destroy America as we have known it.
My fear is that we're beyond the point of no return ...and our government knows it. I could be very wrong, but some of the things that more extreme people write are starting to make sense to me.
I hope that I'm wrong and this is all a dream ...a really long dream. You know, like I'll wake up and Reagan is still president and I never had a heart attack dream.
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Post by dbd870 on Sept 19, 2013 4:26:38 GMT -5
He is a fool and was in over his head from the very first day.
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Post by Genesis 27:3 on Sept 19, 2013 5:57:32 GMT -5
He is a fool and was in over his head from the very first day. I agree. I hate this DOOMED feeling I get whenever I see or hear that knuckle head |
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Post by kevin1 on Sept 21, 2013 15:47:11 GMT -5
LOL Great quote Woody. Ohhhhhh, it pains me to think about it. I feel like I'm beginning to side with the conspiracy theorist; I think it's deliberate. The man wants to destroy America as we have known it. My fear is that we're beyond the point of no return ...and our government knows it. I could be very wrong, but some of the things that more extreme people write are starting to make sense to me. While we're close to the point of no return, it could still be avoided, though the austerity measures required to do it would be extremely painful. It would also take a decade or more of such measures to even withdraw from the brink. The historical precedent is there, our country recovered from the Great Depression, and look what that took. A return to the gold standard would be required, followed by the most intensive spending cuts and waste spending reduction in history. Then the corruption and fraud would have to be rooted out and eliminated. NO MORE BORROWING TO FINANCE NEW DEBT! And in that vein, NO NEW DEBT! Of course, all entitlement programs would have to be phased out as well in order to stem the largest sources of the financial hemorrhaging. Finally, the federal and state governments would have to be reduced to a functional level that still permits basic services, perhaps by a gradual reduction of all taxes, and their budgets permanently restricted. Finally, apply all savings to the outstanding balances. |
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Post by Jamie Brooks 1John5:13 on Sept 21, 2013 16:50:03 GMT -5
LOL Great quote Woody. Ohhhhhh, it pains me to think about it. I feel like I'm beginning to side with the conspiracy theorist; I think it's deliberate. The man wants to destroy America as we have known it. My fear is that we're beyond the point of no return ...and our government knows it. I could be very wrong, but some of the things that more extreme people write are starting to make sense to me. While we're close to the point of no return, it could still be avoided, though the austerity measures required to do it would be extremely painful. It would also take a decade or more of such measures to even withdraw from the brink. The historical precedent is there, our country recovered from the Great Depression, and look what that took. A return to the gold standard would be required, followed by the most intensive spending cuts and waste spending reduction in history. Then the corruption and fraud would have to be rooted out and eliminated. NO MORE BORROWING TO FINANCE NEW DEBT! And in that vein, NO NEW DEBT! Of course, all entitlement programs would have to be phased out as well in order to stem the largest sources of the financial hemorrhaging. Finally, the federal and state governments would have to be reduced to a functional level that still permits basic services, perhaps by a gradual reduction of all taxes, and their budgets permanently restricted. Finally, apply all savings to the outstanding balances. This sounds about right to me Kevin. What do you think the chances of this happening is? |
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Post by Russ Koon on Sept 23, 2013 9:06:43 GMT -5
I see it as more like the overpopulation problem or the battle of the bulge that so many of us fight personally. It's something that needs to be changed through a change in attitude and lifestyle, rather than a quick fix.
Certainly eliminating the truly senseless spending should be done immediately.
Canada has finally stopped the minting of pennies. The US continues to manufacture them at a cost of around three cents each. And nickles at a cost of about eight cents apiece, that they admit to. I suspect the books don't reflect the entire cost in either case, but the costs that the government admits to amount something over a billion dollars a year, above the face value of the coins, to give us all the privilege and pleasure of carrying them around in our pockets.
Most of us don't bother to use them in making purchases anymore. The kids aren't taught how to make change with them now, they just are taught which key to touch on the electronic cash register to make the correct change pop up onscreen. And that's only if they are making cash purchases and not swiping a card.
And the government excuse for their continued waste of taxpayer dollars to support the zinc lobby and the mints? They say the coins are extremely popular with the public, based on their surveys that show they are the currency "most handled by the public"! Guess they didn't bother to ask whether the public WANTED to be handling the small change or whether it was just another government nuisance.
Dad was born in 1921, and in his youth, the penny was the smallest currency unit in use. Prices now are about thirty times as high as they were then, and the penny is still in use. We could drop all coinage except the quarter, make them about the size of dimes, and still have the lowest coin be a little less in value than the penny was when Dad was actually glad to handle one.
That would only save one billion or two a year, but it would be a start.
Kinda like deciding having a basketball team of kids is more responsible than going for a football team, or giving up the supersize Frosty and the triple-decker half-pounder, in favor of a medium Frosty and a double-decker, and maybe skipping the fries.
It's a big ship we want to start in the opposite direction, and we will realistically have to make some effort to turn it a degree or two from it's current course. But the iceberg isn't all that far away, and we'd better get started.
And as far as the current occupant of the White House is concerned....I'm not real thrilled with him either, but he didn't invent liberalism and fiscal irresponsibility, he's just a current salesman of it. And judging from Woody's post above, he'll sell anything he thinks the public will buy.
I remember thinking "Uh-oh, we're in trouble now!" back in the fall of 1960, when a young senator from MA was running hard for the office, and in a speech from a balcony at a college in the east, in a scene that looked something like a papal address from the balcony of the Vatican, he told the audience that we didn't need to worry about the national debt, because "....we only owe it to ourselves!". The crowd roared its approval.
The underlying problem isn't the salesmen who push the "answer" to our problems by promising "more money, faster horses, and younger women", it's in the gullibility of the customer base that supports the success of the technique. Changing our course won't be easy or fast, but I do agree completely that it is necessary.
The more optimistic view of the future is that as more people of all ages are getting more of their news and information from media such as this and less from the mass media and the public schools, we seem to be seeing an increase in people who value individual freedom and personal responsibility. If that trend continues, we may have some effect on the helm pretty soon. The sales resistance to the liberal messages seems to be growing.
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