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Post by ActionPoint on Aug 16, 2007 19:57:26 GMT -5
Try using the thumb on your shooting finger to hold and then roll a shell into the empty chamber, and then hitting the release button with your index finger. Now try doing it without taking your hand off the gun or tilting gun on it's side. Now try it with a Benelli that has an extended length receiver. My fingers would have to be atleast 10 inches long.
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Post by hoosiercanuck on Aug 16, 2007 20:00:48 GMT -5
Buy more SBE 2's Art - that's all I would say
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Post by johnc911 on Aug 16, 2007 20:24:27 GMT -5
I watched the dvd about 15-20 times frame by frame slow motion his left hand never came off the gun however you cant see his right hand. Between the third and fourth shot there is a pause and if you watch carefully you can see him look down at the gun as he is putting in the fourth shell. MY CONCLUSION IS HE LOADED THE FOURTH SHELL.
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Post by maestro402 on Aug 16, 2007 21:12:03 GMT -5
I have to say that it is suspicious. However, Jeff hasn't given me any reason to doubt him till now. And I do believe it is possible to do what he did, especially with his expereince.
If he did float a 4th then I am extremely disappointed in him. However, until I could have some kind of proof to make me believe otherwise, I will take him at his word. I still won't buy his calls but won't deter anyone from doing so either. (disclaimer: i'm not buying his calls b/c i'm not a fan of them not b/c of the video)
Oh yeah .... on why the video would get pulled: the video is most likely copyrighted and to show any part of it w/o permission would be considered infringement of that. They were probably threatened.
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Post by bsutravis on Aug 16, 2007 23:23:48 GMT -5
Why would "floating" the shell be something that would bring "disappointment"  ? How is that any different than holding an extra shell in your hand and popping it in while using an over/under or side-by-side? People have momentary lapses in memory, but again.....there's no way Jeff would shoot 4 shots that were pre-loaded when he KNEW that his hunt was being taped for a future video. |
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Post by duff on Aug 17, 2007 0:37:12 GMT -5
Why would "floating" the shell be something that would bring "disappointment" ? How is that any different than holding an extra shell in your hand and popping it in while using an over/under or side-by-side? ... Floating a shell is not holding it in your hand and reloading fast, it is having the ability to place an extra shell in your gun. As has been mentioned the old SBE could, and the Bikails or Stoger 2000 can float the extra shell in the gun too. The problem is the federal rule that restricts waterfowl hunters to a firearm that can only hold 3 rounds. I have not seen the video, probably won't. I wouldn't be suprised if some guys go out of their way to get an extra shell, but Jeff's description does seems possible. |
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Post by quackingtim on Aug 17, 2007 0:47:04 GMT -5
I watched the video a few more times after Jeff made his statement and before it was pulled. If he moved his right hand forward after the third shot, he did it faster then the film speed could catch it. Here is a picture of the gun he was using. www.benelliusa.com/firearms/sbe2.tplYou can see where the bolt release is. That's some quick hands. |
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Post by bsutravis on Aug 17, 2007 7:39:16 GMT -5
My bad Duff.... I thought the "float" term is what people were using when talking about the quick hand move of tossing in the 4th shell. I've never had any experience with any guns that could hold an extra shell even when the mag tube was plugged for 2 shells.
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Post by supr87gt on Aug 17, 2007 7:59:11 GMT -5
I watched the dvd about 15-20 times frame by frame slow motion his left hand never came off the gun however you cant see his right hand. Between the third and fourth shot there is a pause and if you watch carefully you can see him look down at the gun as he is putting in the fourth shell. MY CONCLUSION IS HE LOADED THE FOURTH SHELL. I guess if he states he was holding the shell in his right hand then his left wouldn't ever have to come off the gun. Im haven't watched this video but I did watch a thing on the outdoor channel a couple days ago on speed loading a shotgun. It's defiinately possible. Im with JohnC however. He loaded the 4th shell. Why would anyone in their right mind film themselves breaking the law?!?!?! |
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Post by maestro402 on Aug 17, 2007 8:01:54 GMT -5
Why would anyone in their right mind film themselves breaking the law?!?!?! You'd be surprised!!! However, I say again that I think it probably happened as he said. |
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Post by surfox on Aug 17, 2007 8:31:22 GMT -5
well i have an SBE II and if you've ever messed with one you would understand and i'll try to explain where the 4th shell goes put 2 shells in the magazine when you hit the button on the side of the gun it advances a shell from the mag to under the receiver (not chambered but ready to chamber when the gun cycles)...thats where the 4th hides when a gun is capable of floating the 4th so you have 1 in the chamber 1 under the receiver and 2 in the magazine now get caught with 4 in the gun by the PO PO and you can prob say bye bye to your gun unless you can buy it back at a state auction to me its not worth losing an expensive gun i tried it on my gun and about got my finger pinched off....  the gun isnt engineered like that i think its just a fluke that someone figured out besides the PO PO can glass you from 1/4 mile away and count...so you could get bustted real quick |
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Post by jwkimber45 on Aug 17, 2007 9:25:45 GMT -5
It can only be done with the old H&K imported SBEs the newer Benelli imported SBEs and SBE IIs it cannot be done.
Holding additional shells and sliding them into the action is very possible and very fast. I learned how to do it with a beretta tactical for shooting 3-gun competitions.
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Post by bschwein on Aug 17, 2007 9:47:21 GMT -5
If he loaded the 4th shell as stated. I see nothing wrong with that. Your not breaking any law so if you get good at that, then more power to you. Its no different than reloading to shoot cripples.
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Post by chicobrownbear on Aug 17, 2007 9:51:08 GMT -5
I don't worry about other people. If they are breaking the law they will eventually get caught. If you don't believe that drive 10 or 11 miles over the speed limit everywhere you go.
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Post by ActionPoint on Aug 17, 2007 10:26:24 GMT -5
Does anyone on here have an auto-loader that doesn't make a sound when the bolt is slammed forward?
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Post by duckhunterpaul on Aug 17, 2007 11:23:39 GMT -5
I would love to see Jeff put up a vide on You Tube or his website showing the Super-Man like action with which he slid that 4th shell into the gun. I think he could make even more money by selling his non-moving hands 4th shell loading technique than selling calls!
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Post by Harley on Aug 17, 2007 12:10:55 GMT -5
I don't worry about other people. If they are breaking the law they will eventually get caught. If you don't believe that drive 10 or 11 miles over the speed limit everywhere you go. I must have been one lucky person for the last 19 years of driving. (knocking on wood) ;D |
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? How is that any different than holding an extra shell in your hand and popping it in while using an over/under or side-by-side? 
