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Post by duckhunterpaul on Aug 16, 2007 14:01:42 GMT -5
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Post by duckhunterpaul on Aug 16, 2007 14:06:24 GMT -5
Here is what Jeff posted about the subject on his Forum:
"1st of all a benelli sbe2 will NOT carry the 4th shell like the old ones did. Any of You benelli Guys know that the new sbe2s wont carry the 4th but the old ones would and I am sure You have seen many Guys do that. I used to shoot a SX 2 and it wouldn't eiher. When I made the switch to Benelli I have shot nothing but the new guns ( which will not carry 4). I don't spring snow goose hunt and when I have I have an old Benelli that I leave with an extension tube on. So I never have had the plug out of the new ones and won't. What I did is this, something I have done for years carry a 4th shell in My right hand. A lot of the ole timers I hunted with over the years did it and were awesome at it. I have won a couple of steak diners over it. When the 3rd shell roles out , You roll it it at that last second. Is it right? Its not illegal but it is fun, I have tried it with 2 and can't do it. Its really kind of fun to see if You can do it. I have hunted for 44 years, done it since I was a kid, not all the time but several exspecially shooting trap. I haven't had a game violation, and have hunted all over the world. When I laughed in the video, the reason was because we had just discussed it over diner the night before. I really hope You Guys enjoyed the other 2 hours and 58 minutes of the video. See ya at game Fair and DU Thanks and have a great season Jeff"
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Post by bschwein on Aug 16, 2007 14:32:45 GMT -5
Maybe thats how he did it then. Also there are some semi-auto shotguns that you can put a cheater shell in and still have a 3 shot plug. Not sure if you can do it on the new SBE II's.
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Post by johnc911 on Aug 16, 2007 14:44:57 GMT -5
I bought that video a couple of weeks ago, and it is one of the best i have seen.
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Post by surfox on Aug 16, 2007 14:55:32 GMT -5
yea it would be no different that reaching down and picking up another shell from the box and slamming it in...he just trained himself to hold the 4th
if thats what he really did....hmmmmmmmm
we've even had a second gun loaded next to us...usually with BB for geese...no sense in unloading and reloading guns when a flock of geese rolls by
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Post by firstwd on Aug 16, 2007 15:07:15 GMT -5
The geese are why I have the 10 ga. in the blind next to me.......that and to keep everybody else on the lake awake in the mornings.
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Post by bsutravis on Aug 16, 2007 15:20:43 GMT -5
If you notice, his rythm definately changes as he goes into that 4th shot... The shots went off like, "BANG....BANG....BANG..................Bang." I can't believe he would ever hunt with an extra shell in the gun while taping for a video. His reply seems legit enough to me.
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Post by shootsa410 on Aug 16, 2007 15:23:40 GMT -5
Each person can form their own personal opinion on this, I know this just reinforces the reasoning behind selling all my Foiles Calls! Let me know if you still have any for sale and how much? |
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Post by hoosierhunter2 on Aug 16, 2007 15:35:04 GMT -5
Please don't take this the wrong way, I don't want to get into a anti-Jeff bashing, I don't know what exactly is going on there, if he is hand feeding a shell quickly at the end or if he indeed is illegal with a 4th shell "floating in the gun", but from my eyes what I am seeing, it sure looks like he had 4 in the gun, if he did indeed hand load that 4th, that is one of the most impressive quick loads I have ever seen in my life!! I've heard alot of different takes on this as it has been causing quite a stir on alot of different forums, alot of differing stories from some main Foiles guys to whoever, this is the first I have read Jeff's actual comment on the matter, and I choose to just take him at his word. One comment I personally would say, is that probably it should have been described in detail what was going on during the video then, as now it has caused quite a stir, and definitely could be seen as very unethical and definitely not something that I would want to portray to anyone watching or youth for that matter. And definitely doesn't sound like a very safe move as well, I would think that this would go against alot of gun safety that would be taught to our youth in hunter ed, so definitely not a very wise decision to allow this to have been shown without some kind of explanation on the video. That's all I have to say on the matter. You won't ever see us pull a stunt like this on any of our videos!! For one if there were only 4 birds coming in and it looks like at least 3 or 4 guys hunting, I'm not looking to shoot all 4 birds myself and therefore wouldn't have any need to do such a thing.
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Post by Adam Brown (BGGoosekiller) on Aug 16, 2007 15:51:28 GMT -5
I don't really care one way or another but if that is indeed what he did it would take all of 5 min. to grab a camera and record him doing it from the side where you could see it all. post it up on youtube or his website and all questions and nay sayers are shut-up. I believe what he said is possible and it's not even unethical but it definitely isn't smart or safe.
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Post by shootsa410 on Aug 16, 2007 16:01:00 GMT -5
I am sure we'll see or hear more on this subject and probably from Jeff himself in the near future. If he screwed up and did have the fourth shell in the gun then shame on him and he deserves what's coming to him. If not, then he should make a clear video and show exactly how it's done. But, I really don't think one way or the other this is going to hurt call sales.
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Post by surfox on Aug 16, 2007 16:09:09 GMT -5
unless benelli comes out with a foiles model SBE III
that might raise some questions if it is able to float the fourth
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 16, 2007 16:29:52 GMT -5
Went to watch it and "the video has been removed by user".
I'm taking it that "Jeff" owns this call company?
If so, he better be making a "How to shoot that 4th shot " video real quick.
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Post by bsutravis on Aug 16, 2007 16:32:49 GMT -5
That's weird..... Why would they pull it? Obviously whoever posted it was doing so with much skepticism towards Foiles. I dunno why they would pull it.
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Post by hornharvester on Aug 16, 2007 17:27:06 GMT -5
I watched the video 4 times and never saw him take his left hand off the gun forearm or right hand off the stock, so how would he float a shell into it? h.h.
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Post by hoosierhunter2 on Aug 16, 2007 17:34:05 GMT -5
Horn,
He would have to be holding a shell in the tips of his left hand while holding the gun and on the last shot when the gun snaps open when empty, slide that shell in and push the bolt release button to load the gun and shoot. My point is, I'm sure he probably did do this, but it's definitely not a move that is very safe or something that I would want to promote others to do, especially all those youth that watch him and just worship him, and will do whatever he does, just because. Not a wise decision in my honest opinion.
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Post by shootsa410 on Aug 16, 2007 18:24:44 GMT -5
Ooooooh no now I'm really in trouble, all those Foiles calls and two Benelli SBE IIs.  |
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Post by supr87gt on Aug 16, 2007 18:32:48 GMT -5
Might as well give them away now Art.
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Post by ActionPoint on Aug 16, 2007 19:00:58 GMT -5
I've seen several guys that could quick load a 4th shot. They could do it so fast that there was only a slight break in the shot cadence. So it is very possible However, the hand movement is quick and obvious and I didn't see Jeff make a movement toward the bolt release button with his right hand. The tape wasn't the best and it didn't show the necessary side of the receiver so it is very hard to tell for sure. One thing I did notice though with certainty, I didn't hear a bolt slam forward.
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Post by hornharvester on Aug 16, 2007 19:30:33 GMT -5
Horn, He would have to be holding a shell in the tips of his left hand while holding the gun and on the last shot when the gun snaps open when empty, slide that shell in and push the bolt release button to load the gun and shoot. My point is, I'm sure he probably did do this, but it's definitely not a move that is very safe or something that I would want to promote others to do, especially all those youth that watch him and just worship him, and will do whatever he does, just because. Not a wise decision in my honest opinion. I watched it four times and the last two times I was watching to see if his hands moved off the gun and neither one did. His left hand never left the forearm and neither did his right, so how would he have loaded another shell? He couldn't have from what I saw. h.h. |
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