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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 27, 2013 7:16:10 GMT -5
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Post by Decatur on Apr 27, 2013 7:23:49 GMT -5
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Post by greyhair on Apr 27, 2013 9:50:01 GMT -5
The Bakers Union screwed up - no doubt.
Here is an alternative headline though "Twinkies return! - Lower wages. less benefits!"
I am a strong believer in the right of companies to operate and make profits, and I also believe in collective bargaining. The balanced back and forth between those two has been good for the middle class. Lately it seems all I hear though is jobs going to lower pay - like charter school teachers etc.
Probably the pendulum will swing too far eventually, and start back the other way - until it goes too far the other way and starts back again
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Post by dbd870 on Apr 27, 2013 11:17:16 GMT -5
Yea; desert is on for Fri. night of the Youth Hunt!  |
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Post by jamesaritchie on Apr 27, 2013 15:44:26 GMT -5
The Bakers Union screwed up - no doubt. Here is an alternative headline though "Twinkies return! - Lower wages. less benefits!" I am a strong believer in the right of companies to operate and make profits, and I also believe in collective bargaining. The balanced back and forth between those two has been good for the middle class. Lately it seems all I hear though is jobs going to lower pay - like charter school teachers etc. Probably the pendulum will swing too far eventually, and start back the other way - until it goes too far the other way and starts back again I hope all I ever hear is jobs like this going for lower pay. Unions priced themselves out of business, and stopped being good for America decades ago. Lower wages and less benefits for meaningless jobs that anyone can do is what we need more of. High paying jobs are still plentiful, but this is the twenty-first century, and the high pay has move don to those with better educations, and technological skills. You can keep your unions. I'll take my Twinkies and other products at a price I can actually afford to pay. |
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Post by greyhair on Apr 28, 2013 13:50:39 GMT -5
Well, everyone is entitled to an honest opinion - I can't understand why you think lower wages and less benefits is something we need more of though -
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Post by Boilermaker on Apr 29, 2013 6:40:38 GMT -5
I think unions had their time and place; and in my opinion that was a long time ago in a different place. Auto industry in the early twentieth century? Sure. Pastries factory in the twenty-first century - probably not. If you want to make the argument that unions are really for the people, explain to me why a large employer (Dolly Madison) here in Columbus now has it's doors locked and an empty factory. Seems if the union was doing what it was supposed it would be just the opposite...
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Post by greyhair on Apr 29, 2013 19:54:02 GMT -5
I belong to a construction trade - our people don't necessarily get along with the manufacturers unions, they don't seem to mind strangling companies to death. With us we accommodate employers and change the rules all the time, and everybody makes money. The biggest problem we have is out of state companies coming in now with lots of illegals, doing work for dirt prices. Unscrupulous employers really take advantage of these people too - often they rent them their houses, take wage kickbacks etc.
I don't like having the illegals here, but there is no excuse for the way some dirtbags abuse them either. Almost like the old coal company towns
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 23, 2013 16:41:32 GMT -5
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Post by GS1 on Jun 23, 2013 17:36:26 GMT -5
Why aren't they going to be cheaper now?
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Post by greyhair on Jun 24, 2013 22:36:04 GMT -5
well now - there is a good question - no unions in the way driving costs up now. Twinkies will probably cost more.
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Post by greyhair on Jun 24, 2013 22:36:18 GMT -5
well now - there is a good question - no unions in the way driving costs up now. Twinkies will probably cost more.
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Post by hunter7x on Jun 25, 2013 6:32:57 GMT -5
I just love a good union bashing thread.  Some of ya might want to run right out to the bank and see what it takes to own and run your own profitable business and then maybe some of this other stuff will make sense. |
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Post by swilk on Jun 25, 2013 7:17:43 GMT -5
Its like many things .... to much of what is normally a good thing usually turns out to be bad.
Somehow unions went from fighting for a decent workweek, wage and working conditions and jumped all the way to things like demanding free viagra, keeping employees on the payroll that get high at lunch and full benefit retirement at age 40.
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Post by Genesis 27:3 on Jun 25, 2013 7:19:04 GMT -5
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Post by tenring on Jun 25, 2013 13:50:37 GMT -5
Its like many things .... to much of what is normally a good thing usually turns out to be bad. Somehow unions went from fighting for a decent workweek, wage and working conditions and jumped all the way to things like demanding free viagra, keeping employees on the payroll that get high at lunch and full benefit retirement at age 40. Noticed that didn't 'ya! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2013 15:47:53 GMT -5
At least one non-union employer has had retirement at age 40 for eons, and I've never heard one complaint about it? It also hasn't drove up the price of Twinkies. The need for viagra could be linked to a disease, and should be covered under most insurance plans if so. As for getting high at lunch, I've seen just as many non-union employees doing that as union people, including supervisors. Anyone who does not know why unions exsist, has never worked in a large company atmosphere with out one.
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Post by tenring on Jun 25, 2013 16:14:53 GMT -5
Which one did you work at?
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Post by dbd870 on Jun 26, 2013 4:28:56 GMT -5
While I certainly believe unions have gone off the reservation in too many cases there is some truth to his statement.
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Post by jamesaritchie on Jun 26, 2013 14:19:17 GMT -5
Well, everyone is entitled to an honest opinion - I can't understand why you think lower wages and less benefits is something we need more of though - What lower wages and less benefits? The employees making the Twinkies now are getting better wages and more benefits than they had before getting this job. So go ask them about lower wages. They'll tell you you're nuts. They now have a job. The union workers who priced Hostess out of business are getting no wages, but they're all soaking up unemployment for a long, long time to come. And, no, most of what they draw is not what they paid for, it comes straight from the taxpayers. |
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