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Post by Headgear on Mar 28, 2013 5:29:58 GMT -5
I have a TC Pro Hunter just sitting in the safe. I bought it thinking I would get a pistol caliber barrel for it to hunt deer with. Then I learned about the wild cats, did a bunch of reading and ordered a 1.8 wssm rifle build on a 'Remington 700 platform. I liked the 358 Hoosier round but went with the 1.8 wssm to get a smidge more range.
Now I am thinking of maybe getting a Hoosier barrel for the TC just to have a spare and to do some comparing, etc. My only reluctance is that I spoke to one smith who was dead set against the high pressure wild cat rounds used with the break open guns. I believe he said the hinge point can become loose over time eventually resulting in a kaboom.
Anybody have any experience in this area?
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Post by HuntMeister on Mar 28, 2013 6:12:26 GMT -5
I have not heard of any issues with the Encore platform.
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Post by fullrut on Mar 28, 2013 7:31:57 GMT -5
I know of at least 10 people who have wssm's in Encore with 0 problems.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2013 8:16:56 GMT -5
I'd find another gunsmith. Yours obviously has very little experience with a Encore or the pressures with the Hoosier round. sskindustries.com/encore |
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Post by swilk on Mar 28, 2013 11:27:07 GMT -5
I can add at least 6 more to fullrut's total that have had 0 problems.
Granted we dont have thousands of rounds through any one gun but I have personally sent some extremely hot loads down my gun without issue.
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Post by hornharvester on Mar 28, 2013 13:58:06 GMT -5
What he told you is true for the Contender frames but the Encore frames are different. Unless someone has had the round CUP tested no one knows what the pressures are and use an educated guess. I found you cant get enough powder in the case to worry about unless you use fast burning powders. h.h.
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Post by dbd870 on Mar 28, 2013 17:55:38 GMT -5
Yep.
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Post by Headgear on Mar 29, 2013 12:03:28 GMT -5
Thanks again for the replies. I would like to say that this guy is not "MY" gunsmith. just one of the many that I spoke to about getting a barrel and which round to go with. So if I made it sound like this was my guy and he knows more than anyone else... Hell No!!! Since he was the only one who raised this point, I had a feeling that he was doing a sales job on me and the over pressure thing was just another angle to use to make the sale. I did not do any research on it yet but another hunch that I had was that the T.C. factory 300 Win mag barrel that came on my Pro Hunter probably produces more pressure and recoil than the Hoosier anyway. You know, come to think of it, it was a month or better since I spoke to that guy and others but one of the others was Match Grade Machine. If memory serves the person there that I spoke to said something similar about the 1.625 wssm. He said that for that round they run the throat in a little deeper and you seat you bullet longer (not so deep in the case) to avoid high pressure issues. I may not have that exactly right since it was so long ago but I think that is what he said as well. Okay, I took the time in the middle of typing this and did a little searching and I was wrong. Check this out: www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=571 It was only the short, fat rounds like the wsm and the wssm, not the Hoosier. I guess the shorter fatter column of powder in these cases all ignites quicker producing higher pressure than the same or greater amount in a 300 win mag case. I'll look into it further just out of curiosity. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 19:15:22 GMT -5
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Post by Headgear on Mar 30, 2013 5:24:12 GMT -5
I really want to try the Hoosier round and A J Brown sells barrels for the Encore so I will give them a call. Since the Hoosier does not use a short mag case, I<m sure the pressure is lower and it is fine. Thanks Again.
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Post by danf on Mar 31, 2013 8:17:52 GMT -5
Bellm has his followers but do not take anything that comes from him as an absolute truth. This is the same guy that sells snake oil in the form of oversized hinge pins to increase accuracy, its not the pins that affect accuracy it's the barrel to frame lockup. Bellm is far from the authority on T/C's that he thinks he is....
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Post by dbd870 on Mar 31, 2013 15:22:46 GMT -5
I'm not a fan either danf
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Post by Headgear on Apr 2, 2013 5:29:55 GMT -5
Yeah something just doesn't feel right so I think it is best to just avoid it all together. Besides, from the little bid of reading that I have been doing on the 358 wildcats, there seem to be tons of guys using the Hoosier round. Of all the 358's it looks to be pretty tried and true. And like I said above, it is not one of the short, fat high pressure rounds mentioned in his article so it looks like the one to try. I still have not contacted A J Brown yet but will and I have a pretty good idea what they will tell me just from reading other guys posts on here. Thanks Again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 6:15:30 GMT -5
You might look at Bellm's own wildcat and figure out why he might not like the Hoosier wildcat. His has more case capacity because it's not cut to 1.8" Like you've said, your best resource on this caliber is someone who makes barrels for it, not someone who doesn't.
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Post by 409bullelk on Apr 2, 2013 12:52:47 GMT -5
I have a 358 Hoosier on a T/C pro frame and love it. I went with the thumb hole stock and very happy. Shoots nice and true. I went with the MGM fluted barrel, Leupold scope, set up. Think I have a pic posted someplace here.
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