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Post by freedomhunter on Aug 8, 2012 5:55:04 GMT -5
I've emailed DNR a few times about making the north half of Johnson Co. an urban area, always get a standard response. Second fastest growing county next to Hamilton for years, I-65 SR37 SR135 US31 all run through areas with deer. Have a hard time figuring out some things they do, or won't do sometimes. I don't think they have a clue about some areas of the state.
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Post by drs on Aug 8, 2012 6:11:32 GMT -5
I've emailed DNR a few times about making the north half of Johnson Co. an urban area, always get a standard response. Second fastest growing county next to Hamilton for years, I-65 SR37 SR135 US31 all run through areas with deer. Have a hard time figuring out some things they do, or won't do sometimes. I don't think they have a clue about some areas of the state. They really don't have a valid clue. Guess they do the best they can with what they have to work with, however. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2012 7:17:57 GMT -5
BS. They have specific data that they use to determine the zone. That includes road kills, harvest data, farm complaints, urban complaints, visual data from CO's, etc. David, you must have slept through the class on deer management 101.
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Post by drs on Aug 8, 2012 7:45:57 GMT -5
BS. They have specific data that they use to determine the zone. That includes road kills, harvest data, farm complaints, urban complaints, visual data from CO's, etc. David, you must have slept through the class on deer management 101. Road kills, Farmers Complaints, ect. are all taken into account, when figuring the population of Deer in a given area. Your Indiana Deer population is still too high considering the additional info. you posted. BTW, I did very well in Wildlife Management class, thank you very much, as being the only one here, on this single post, who has a degree in Biology. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2012 8:17:08 GMT -5
Lol...who say that coming. Highly trained in BS. There's no state anywhere close to the size of.Ind. with less than 400,000 wt. deer. Deer herds grow rapidly once they reach that size because hunter numbers are stable and control is very difficult ans ongoing. If you even studied deer when you got that degree, it was outdated methods or it went completely over your head.
When the LEGAL harvest is known at whatever, such as 130,000. You can figure that illegal and other causes is at least that same number or even more. You can easily see that the prehunt herd is.more than what your saying to even sustain. Futher evidence is the last three years of deer reduction. Not needed if theres barely enough to sustain levels. Pretty simple basic stuff here. You aould benefit from a class in modern deer management or a QDM Short Course. Or go to talk with a deer manager in Ky or Ind. Be sure to tell him about your degree.
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Post by drs on Aug 8, 2012 8:44:08 GMT -5
Lol...who say that coming. Highly trained in BS. There's no state anywhere close to the size of.Ind. with less than 400,000 wt. deer. Deer herds grow rapidly once they reach that size because hunter numbers are stable and control is very difficult ans ongoing. If you even studied deer when you got that degree, it was outdated methods or it went completely over your head. When the LEGAL harvest is known at whatever, such as 130,000. You can figure that illegal and other causes is at least that same number or even more. You can easily see that the prehunt herd is.more than what your saying to even sustain. Futher evidence is the last three years of deer reduction. Not needed if theres barely enough to sustain levels. Pretty simple basic stuff here. You aould benefit from a class in modern deer management or a QDM Short Course. Or go to talk with a deer manager in Ky or Ind. Be sure to tell him about your degree. My aren't you the "Feisty one". Actually of the two of us, I am the one with the Biological Degree. Yes it is a very basic topic & nothing new, too bad you can't grasp knowledge of others except your own or what you can "Google". |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2012 8:52:18 GMT -5
Nothing I posted was Googled. If you want to verify my opinion, you could google drs and roundup ready corn. I beliv that will lend some credence to the conversation. Really David, go have a talk with Chad or Jon Gassett about why your numbers can not be anywhere close to reality.
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Post by drs on Aug 8, 2012 9:11:31 GMT -5
Nothing I posted was Googled. If you want to verify my opinion, you could google drs and roundup ready corn. I beliv that will lend some credence to the conversation. Really David, go have a talk with Chad or Jon Gassett about why your numbers can not be anywhere close to reality. Not to get off the topic (sorry all) but since you mentioned "round-up ready" crops or "GMO's" you might take a look at this: farmandranchfreedom.org/gmo-miscarriagesThese type crops [Could  ] cause a decline in the Deer population as well as other game animals, but draw you own conclusions. That is all I am going to say about this and the number of Whitetail Deer in Indiana. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2012 9:50:12 GMT -5
Thanks, LOL
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Post by flinter on Aug 8, 2012 15:56:04 GMT -5
Why does the constant bickering between these two continue to exist?
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 8, 2012 16:06:38 GMT -5
Why does the constant bickering between these two continue to exist? Good question.... DRS and Timex - take your petty arguments to PMs. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2012 16:41:38 GMT -5
DRS,
With all due respect, if your numbers are correct, that would mean 1 in every 2 deer in Indiana gets killed every year. I just don't believe that is possible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2012 16:45:41 GMT -5
Correct, it's not possible.
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Post by billybobteeth on Aug 8, 2012 16:54:40 GMT -5
DRS, With all due respect, if your numbers are correct, that would mean 1 in every 2 deer in Indiana gets killed every year. I just don't believe that is possible. Very possible and it was for sure that way back in the 90s I think in the DNR archives site has a letter from a past IN biologist about this .But he was pointing to a decline in hunter numbers at one point in his letters . I think the report was by Jim Mitchel ! back in 1998 or 1999 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2012 18:24:54 GMT -5
350,000 Deer = 90,000 bucks & 270,000 does in a 1:3 ratio, which is most common in a wild hunted herd.
Last year, the buck kill was 50,000. No state has hunters good enough to kill over 50% of their available bucks. Road kills snd other causes of death would take most of the remaining bucks, leaving only a few to grow into quality bucks we all see each year.
The doe kill was 70,000 or so. If you have another 70,000 killed by other causes snd poaching, you have barely 130,000 left spreadout over the entire State.
Its not possible by any strech. 20 years ago, maybe. Not in 2012.
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Post by megadadof3 on Aug 8, 2012 21:29:02 GMT -5
So if I am understanding correctly, 50,000 bucks killed last year and 50,000 by other causes is 100,000 but that can be 50% of total population at best of the buck population so the years population of bucks before hunting is 200,000 and if you believe in the 1:3 ratio then you add 600,000 does for a total of 800,000!!! Can that really be possible in Indiana given the statics so far?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2012 5:38:47 GMT -5
It does seem like a lot of hunters are seeing LESS Deer these days compared to 5 years ago.
I think the Herd is rebounding in some areas, as hunters are passing on Does that they would have shot a few years ago.
I know a lot of guys in my home county that used to shoot tons of Does every season a few years ago, then they starting seeing very few Deer, and realized they needed to start shooting less Does.
I think a lot of hunters today are actually starting to shoot LESS Does, which in some areas is actually a good thing.
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Post by lugnutz on Aug 9, 2012 6:46:59 GMT -5
This topic would be a moot point if Chad or the DNR would have as much gonads as the weather man.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 9, 2012 6:50:19 GMT -5
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Post by 25fthigh on Aug 13, 2012 13:38:16 GMT -5
I honestly think the population is down, at least in areas in hunt. I've hunted the same locations for 20 years. Ive kept detailed logs for the last 10 years and my sighings are down. Im starting to wonder if warming has had a negative affect on breeding habits and reproduction rates, but who really knows why for sure.
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] cause a decline in the Deer population as well as other game animals, but draw you own conclusions. That is all I am going to say about this and the number of Whitetail Deer in Indiana.
