aj57
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Post by aj57 on Sept 5, 2011 21:19:00 GMT -5
I will be shooting rage 2 blades also for the first time this year. Have always used muzzy 3 blade 100grain, but my brother in law talked me into trying them out. He was a muzzy guy all his life-but says they are the real deal. Got 2 packs of them from his wholesale guy for free so I figured what the heck. Still have the old faithful if I feel the need to go back. I will say I like the fact that at least my practice heads and the rage practice head are pretty much dead on, so there is no adjustments to make. Hopefully in less than 30 days we will see.
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Post by bbhunter on Sept 6, 2011 8:18:57 GMT -5
I would stick with the muzzys. I have used spitfires for years and like my mechanical broadheads but i dont like the two blade rage. Although your entry wound my be larger in appearance the three blade broadheads will have a larger cutting surface. The picture you showed didnt prove much about the rage if any deer were hit there you would have a decent blood trail. My vote stick with the muzzy.
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Post by lugnutz on Sept 6, 2011 18:01:40 GMT -5
I would stick with the muzzys. I have used spitfires for years and like my mechanical broadheads but i dont like the two blade rage. Although your entry wound my be larger in appearance the three blade broadheads will have a larger cutting surface. The picture you showed didnt prove much about the rage if any deer were hit there you would have a decent blood trail. My vote stick with the muzzy. Picture didn't prove much? Put a gash in a deer using a muzzy like that. It won't happen. Some say they like to keep it simple, then why upgrade any equipment? Some say, a well placed arrow will do the job everytime, then buy your heads a walmart and save a few bucks. One poster even mentioned blowing thru both shoulder blades at thirty yards, must have been shooting that arrow out of his muzzleloader By the time you tune each arrow, with every broadhead (fixed blade muzzy), you'll have to buy replacement blades, spend extra hours shooting, is that really keeping it simple?
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Post by inrecordbookbuck on Sept 6, 2011 18:09:53 GMT -5
I would stick with the muzzys. I have used spitfires for years and like my mechanical broadheads but i dont like the two blade rage. Although your entry wound my be larger in appearance the three blade broadheads will have a larger cutting surface. The picture you showed didnt prove much about the rage if any deer were hit there you would have a decent blood trail. My vote stick with the muzzy. Picture didn't prove much? Put a gash in a deer using a muzzy like that. It won't happen. It doesn't prove much, a deer hit where it is in the picture and you will get a big whole with either broadhead and a dead deer.... so why argue over a dead deer... shoot what you like and may you not hit big bone, if you are using a mechanical...
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Post by lugnutz on Sept 6, 2011 18:17:35 GMT -5
IF you are shooting insuffient KE it doesn't matter if you hit a bone or not, a fixed blade head wont make a difference. BTW the thickness of a muzzy blade is generally .020 and to a .035 for a rage.
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Post by inrecordbookbuck on Sept 6, 2011 20:45:47 GMT -5
IF you are shooting insuffient KE it doesn't matter if you hit a bone or not, a fixed blade head wont make a difference. BTW the thickness of a muzzy blade is generally .020 and to a .035 for a rage. Muzzy blade may be thinner but, i have never had one come aprt in a deer... I have a rage head... you are right about the kinetic energy but i have blown through both shoulders of a 220lb buck at 30yards with a muzzy (and no that was from a tenponit phantom not a muzzleloader)... I like the thought that my broadhead will help when i up and i have that confidence with a muzzy... i have had the rage fall apart on a glancing shoulder hit and the constant opening in my quiver, i give them to a buddy and after a year, he thru them away... IMO they are not worth the price!!! Even with a vertical bow, My field points and my muzzy's was cloase enough, i never had to tune each head and arrow... maybe you should tune your bow a little better, to avoid that issue... ;D But, you seem to just want to agrue everytime someone does not agree with your thoughts or equipment... dont take things so personal...
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Post by mullis56 on Sept 6, 2011 22:02:54 GMT -5
All I can say is Rage sucks back to Muzzy's or Slick Tricks. Just got back from hunting mule deer and Rage is NO GOOD for spot and stalk activities for sure. Too many moving parts, parts to break and shake loose....I'll stop now.
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Post by freedomhunter on Sept 7, 2011 7:19:13 GMT -5
no moving parts for me, and I switched from muzzy to g5 montecs, JMO muzzy with the trocar tip can produce a marginal blood trail compared to a cut-on-contact one-piece broadhead
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Post by boonechaser on Sept 7, 2011 11:30:39 GMT -5
Lug i hope you put a rage through the cage of SHOCKER..............LOL
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Post by hunter7x on Sept 7, 2011 16:17:08 GMT -5
I would stick with the muzzys. I have used spitfires for years and like my mechanical broadheads but i dont like the two blade rage. Although your entry wound my be larger in appearance the three blade broadheads will have a larger cutting surface. The picture you showed didnt prove much about the rage if any deer were hit there you would have a decent blood trail. My vote stick with the muzzy. Picture didn't prove much? Put a gash in a deer using a muzzy like that. It won't happen. Some say they like to keep it simple, then why upgrade any equipment? Some say, a well placed arrow will do the job everytime, then buy your heads a walmart and save a few bucks. One poster even mentioned blowing thru both shoulder blades at thirty yards, must have been shooting that arrow out of his muzzleloader By the time you tune each arrow, with every broadhead (fixed blade muzzy), you'll have to buy replacement blades, spend extra hours shooting, is that really keeping it simple? dats a Muzzy hole! no special tuning required, no extra hrs spent tuning (lol really?) been killing deer for many years with em. More pictures like that upon request. Attachments:
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Post by lugnutz on Sept 7, 2011 19:41:09 GMT -5
Lug i hope you put a rage through the cage of SHOCKER..............LOL That old boy is nocturnal, every picture that i have of him so far has been between 1230am and 230am..........I'm not sure i could keep my heart from beating out of my chest long enough to squeeze the trigger accurately! That and i don't use Rage broadheads either. Muzzy broadheads had their day in the sun, just a stick bows did. I can kill a deer with a field point, but thats probably not the best option. But to each his own.
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Post by imnatree on Sept 7, 2011 20:31:28 GMT -5
If you're shooting faster than 300 fps, rage blades have a tendency to open prior to contact causing irregular flight patterns. Flinging arrows at 317, I'm using montecs cut on contact. Easy to resharpen too
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Post by lugnutz on Sept 7, 2011 20:42:33 GMT -5
If you're shooting faster than 300 fps, rage blades have a tendency to open prior to contact causing irregular flight patterns. Flinging arrows at 317, I'm using montecs cut on contact. Easy to resharpen too a video shooting the Rage's out of a 400fps Stryker Xbow... www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmPCYSFzF6UI do like the montecs as well...
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Post by imnatree on Sept 7, 2011 21:24:46 GMT -5
Interesting vid. Proves 1 shot they didn't open prematurely. I was told by Steve Lincoln in laotto that when rage came out they had some proshooters use them at long rang in a football stadium shooting end to end. Every so often they would have one arrow stick at the 60 yd line. They discovered that one of the blades was opening n flight. Since then, they may have fixed probs. Hopefully!
PS this will b my 1st yr hunting nonmechanical. I've used quite a few. Personally fed up with problems they can bring e.i. loose blade screws, weak bands, tips loose, weak springs, etc. No excuses for equipment failure for me this year! At least where arrowheads r concerned.
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Post by hoosierwilk on Sept 8, 2011 7:55:00 GMT -5
I tried the Rage 3 blade a couple years ago. Not sure why since i never had any issues with the spitfires i had been shooting. Only 1 time i never got a complete pass through with the spitfires. Hit him to far back but still killed him. Shot a monster the year i switched to the rages. Im still sick to this day i never recovered that deer. 15 yard shot. Im positive the blades never opened on those broadheads. no penatration at all. never had that happen with spitfires. just my 2 cents. you couldnt pay me to use the rages!
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Post by INDeerhunter on Sept 8, 2011 9:01:24 GMT -5
I used Muzzys for years, and Thunderheads, When I upgraded to a newer bow I went to spitfires (no O-rings on em') and have never had a problem, I have hit the shoulder and still made it thru & recovered the deer less than 60 yrds away. I havent used the Rage, I like the spitfires & dont see a reason to change it up, I have heard great tales about the rage and I have heard some sad stories of lost deer due to no penetration, missed shots from blades opening and so on, but I have seen pics of huge holes, blood trails looking like massacres, and so on. To each their own no two hunters are going to agree on everything !
I shoot spitfires with my compound and still use the muzzys with my recurve, never had an issue with either one, and the muzzy has some serious penetration thru bone on misplaced shots IMO !! I may try the rage out in the future but for now Im sticking with the muzzy and spitfire for my heads
Good Luck to you all this season !!! God Bless..... ~INDeerhunter~
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Post by hornharvester on Sept 8, 2011 9:40:17 GMT -5
If you're shooting faster than 300 fps, rage blades have a tendency to open prior to contact causing irregular flight patterns. Flinging arrows at 317, I'm using montecs cut on contact. Easy to resharpen too a video shooting the Rage's out of a 400fps Stryker Xbow... www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmPCYSFzF6UI do like the montecs as well... With out a high speed slow motion camera all the video shows is the rage hitting a deer hide with a pack of steaks behind it. How does this guy know they didnt open with out visual proof? h.h.
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Post by lugnutz on Sept 8, 2011 10:37:47 GMT -5
A little birdie told him so!
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Post by inrecordbookbuck on Sept 8, 2011 10:54:13 GMT -5
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Post by M4Madness on Sept 8, 2011 18:30:18 GMT -5
I have killed 9 deer and two coyotes with Rage 2-blade broadheads -- and only had one complete pass-through shot in those 11 animals (one doe). They just waste too much kinetic energy opening up, even if they are rear opening. Not to mention that the huge blades are certainly going to lose a lot of speed when they cut two ribs during entry. I also put two arrows tipped with Rages in a nice 10-point buck last season, and still lost him. The first hit high and lodged in the backbone, and the second one went right in the ribcage and must have one-lunged him. You may ask, "How do you know you one-lunged him?" Well, for starters, the shot was right in the lung area of the ribcage, and the bloodtrail was bubbly lung blood. If it had been both lungs, he would have expired. "How do you know that he lived?" He was hit by a car a couple of hundred yards from my home two months later in snowy January, and there was my arrow stub and broadhead still lodged in his backbone. The broadhead was still in the closed position. I also shot a nice tom turkey with a Rage in the fall season last year at 20 yards. The arrow buried to the fletching in the middle of his back right between his wing butts and stuck him to the ground. He flopped around and broke the arrow off, and that was the last I ever saw of him. My wife and I looked for him for two days. This year, I'm using Slick Tricks.
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