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Aug 29, 2011 13:47:37 GMT -5
Post by inrecordbookbuck on Aug 29, 2011 13:47:37 GMT -5
Well my stance would be..... if they could not come up with enough fines to cover the investigation..... Then it was a waste of time and money..... It doesnt matter what they tried to do, it is what they could prove..... and obviously, they were lacking..... AND I CERTAINLY DONT CARE WHO AGREES OR NOT..... just stating my opinion...... First off the COs are getting paid whether they are investigating a major crime or sitting on their duff. I much prefer that they are investigating crimes. If they only get one count on a perp that doesn't even come close to paying the CO's salary for his time is OK by me. Why? Because it is more than likely that perp had done that trick dozens, if not hundreds of times before. If that stops that perp then it was well worth it. A few years back John Deem caught a Poacher who killed a whopper illegally. The guy was stupid enough to post it on the net. He killed it out of season wiith high powered rifle and had no license. After all was said and done he was fined less than $100, was given his gun AND the deer's rack back. By your thinking John should have just not arrested the guy. The COs don't set fines and don't know what crime will be break even, especially in a case like this. But if they were not putting time and money into this case, which ended, pretty sad...... they would have had man power in other cases or catching other poachers.... Did they need to spend this much time on a few cases of not checking a deer in before being butchered or selling some summer sausage.....I am thinking they could have got that by just running in on them any time somebody went to the check station...... as when some one left to go get the tag and there would be deer being butchered without being checked in...... As in the case you are referring, i would like to see that case..... I find it highly unlikely that they would only fine 100 bucks and give his rifle and rack back to him..... i call bs!!! I bet you all are the ones that agreed that, we tax payers paid for the Ken Starr report, too...... i mean we got to the bottom of clinton's BJ's..... it had to be worth it.....
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Aug 29, 2011 13:58:25 GMT -5
Post by Woody Williams on Aug 29, 2011 13:58:25 GMT -5
First off the COs are getting paid whether they are investigating a major crime or sitting on their duff. I much prefer that they are investigating crimes. If they only get one count on a perp that doesn't even come close to paying the CO's salary for his time is OK by me. Why? Because it is more than likely that perp had done that trick dozens, if not hundreds of times before. If that stops that perp then it was well worth it. A few years back John Deem caught a Poacher who killed a whopper illegally. The guy was stupid enough to post it on the net. He killed it out of season wiith high powered rifle and had no license. After all was said and done he was fined less than $100, was given his gun AND the deer's rack back. By your thinking John should have just not arrested the guy. The COs don't set fines and don't know what crime will be break even, especially in a case like this. But if they were not putting time and money into this case, which ended, pretty sad...... they would have had man power in other cases or catching other poachers.... Did they need to spend this much time on a few cases of not checking a deer in before being butchered or selling some summer sausage.....I am thinking they could have got that by just running in on them any time somebody went to the check station...... as when some one left to go get the tag and there would be deer being butchered without being checked in...... As in the case you are referring, i would like to see that case..... I find it highly unlikely that they would only fine 100 bucks and give his rifle and rack back to him..... i call bs!!! I bet you all are the ones that agreed that, we tax payers paid for the Ken Starr report, too...... i mean we got to the bottom of clinton's BJ's..... it had to be worth it..... Again, we do not know what transpired in the case. Maybe they were waiting for something bigger than the sausage sales and checking in an illegal deer? The poacher? Oh...that REALLY happened. It happened on here when John Deem (Greendeem) was more active here. The guy even posted it here too. Clinton? Actually was not about what you posted. It was about perjury and the Dem senate didn't seem to care that he perjured himself.
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Aug 29, 2011 14:07:11 GMT -5
Post by inrecordbookbuck on Aug 29, 2011 14:07:11 GMT -5
I don't need you to tell me what the Starr report was about...... Proving he got bj's, is about all it proved beings he was not charged with perjury or impeached for it...... same here, doesn't matter what the co's thought thay could get but, what they could prove.... a total waste of time and money, just as in the starr report....
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Aug 29, 2011 14:18:25 GMT -5
Post by Woody Williams on Aug 29, 2011 14:18:25 GMT -5
I don't need you to tell me what the Starr report was about...... Proving he got bj's, is about all it proved beings he was not charged with perjury or impeached for it...... same here, doesn't matter what the co's thought thay could get but, what they could prove.... a total waste of time and money, just as in the starr report.... Clinton was impeached. It was his Democrat controlled senate trial that allowed him to skate. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_ClintonHere is what Greendeem ( a CO) posted on here.. "The number one problem with coming up with a poaching solution and discussing possible penalties is it's not up to us. Most prosecutors and judges do not share our feelings on what the penalties should be for poaching violations.
I like most CO's beat my head against the wall when we bust our butts, get lucky, and make a good F&W case only to have the violator slapped on the wrist, or sometimes not prosecuted at all. I could tell you stories about criminals that I've arrested getting off all day long, and I don't have it as bad in my county as some do in others."So, you are saying that these COs should only enforce laws that they think are cost effective and they don't have a clue as to what the judge will drop on the bad guy....if anything?
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Aug 29, 2011 14:26:49 GMT -5
Post by Woody Williams on Aug 29, 2011 14:26:49 GMT -5
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Aug 29, 2011 15:58:11 GMT -5
Post by featherduster on Aug 29, 2011 15:58:11 GMT -5
Boy this thread sure got off topic and ugly. Deer season can't get here fast enough because some folks are acting like bucks in rut.
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Aug 29, 2011 16:18:56 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2011 16:18:56 GMT -5
Got to wonder if a poacher gets fined a 100 bucks, how many years in the lilies a sausage seller is going to get, especially when the CO is the one who made the meat illegally in the first place.
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Aug 29, 2011 16:54:53 GMT -5
Post by Decatur on Aug 29, 2011 16:54:53 GMT -5
Featherduster!
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Aug 29, 2011 17:18:38 GMT -5
Post by inrecordbookbuck on Aug 29, 2011 17:18:38 GMT -5
hell, after rereading the thread, i think the co's should be charged...... any other hunter would be held responible for the carcas of the animal they shot..... the hunter (the way i have always read the law) is responsible for making sure the law is followed when it comes to liscense, checking the deer in, and every aspect of the law......
you think if they rolled in while this was happening, they wouldn't have arrested a hunter that did the same thing they did.... they would have told him, you know the law and it is your deer.... you should have said no and taken the deer yourself to the check station.....
Explain to me how this is different..... and i think with a high dollar attorney this will all be thrown out....
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Aug 29, 2011 17:23:50 GMT -5
Post by duff on Aug 29, 2011 17:23:50 GMT -5
Let it go guys, this won't be figured out on this forum. Everyone has made their points and clearly won't change anyones mind. It's up to the prosecutor at this point so lets leave it at that! If you feel dedicated to one side or the other I am sure both sides would welcome your donations to fight it out.
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