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Post by cambygsp on Jun 10, 2011 11:20:42 GMT -5
I was watching some old episodes of Pawn Stars and a guy comes in to sell his fully loaded Hoyt Matrix Compound Bow.
When the seller was talking to Rick (pawn shop owner) he told them that the Hoyt Matrix takes your archery ability and multiplies it 100 times. He also said the bow was accurate out to 100 yards.
REALLY ! 100 yards? is what I thought. Then maybe that is a plus if you are hunting the Nevada desert.
I wonder if there is any kind of movement from organized archery groups to get this 100 yard compound outlawed?
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Post by kevin1 on Jun 10, 2011 12:24:38 GMT -5
I think they're still reeling from the shock of having to see a crossbow in October... ;D
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Post by retnuhreed on Jun 11, 2011 5:46:57 GMT -5
There are a lot of guys shooting 100 yards, but this is no super bow.
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Post by Sasquatch on Jun 11, 2011 6:06:59 GMT -5
I saw that, and the people on the show said some pretty ridiculous things. Multipllies your abilities 100 times.... that must be why one of they shop guys couldn't figure out how to aim it and bounced an arrow off the ground. Also, as mentioned there are people that shoot 100 yards, but not some new guy that buys a Hoyt Matrix, obviously. For one thing, the typical sight pin would completely cover most dots (indeed most of the target in a lot of cases) on a target at 100 yards. Mortals would need some sort of scope to do serious shooting at that distance. For another, the tradjectory is LOOPING, to put it mildly, requiring absolute precision by the shooter and straining the adjustment range of many sights. Completely absurd thing to say. It's guys like that dingbat that send new archers out into the field believing their new bow shoots flat out to 40 or 50 yards.
The most remarkable thing about that bow is the state-of-the-art carbon fiber riser. Otherwise, it's just another fine option among many fine bows out there.
Yes, one wonders what mystical properties a crossbow has if a compound can practically shoot itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2011 6:09:35 GMT -5
Yes, it's true. Just ask any Indiana Outdoors column writer. With the proper arch on release, it's capable of more than 100yards. There is a chance, it could desimate the deer herd if enough guys use it.
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Post by Russ Koon on Jun 11, 2011 6:38:47 GMT -5
I shot one at the local indoor range/archery shop a little over a year ago.
I decided it would be totally unfair to the deer herd to carry it into the woods, so I stayed with my trusty Mathews. I'm old school. still like going it the hard way 8^)
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Jun 11, 2011 11:43:18 GMT -5
I watched that one as well and I thought he said 200 yards, but even being accurate out to 100 on a consistent basis is pretty hard to believe.
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Post by 76chevy on Jun 12, 2011 5:49:02 GMT -5
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Yes, it's true. Just ask any Indiana Outdoors column writer. With the proper arch on release, it's capable of more than 100yards. There is a chance, it could desimate the deer herd if enough guys use it.
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Post by Russ Koon on Jun 12, 2011 10:17:40 GMT -5
Technically speaking, the statement that the bow is accurate to 100 yards is true enough, and still sells the bow short.
Easton ran an experinent long, long ago in their parking lot on a calm morning, using a longbow clamped to a table and drawn by a mechanical device similar to the Hooter Shooter that you may have heard of in use today by bow testers.
The purpose of the experiment was to demonstrate the accuracy of their newfangled aluminum arrows.
They achieved a grouping of five shots within what appeared to be about two inches. All five arrows were iinside one lens opening of a normal eyeglass frame. The distance was 80 yards.
All the inaccuracy, in a bow shot is in the shooter. The equipment itself is and has always been extremely accurate if the ammo is consistent.
For a more realistic assessment of accuracy differences among various bows, check out the gear used by the people whose income depends on winning against other people who shoot for a living. They might be tempted to fib a little in a sponsor's favor, but if their equipment isn't delivering at least extremely close to the same accuracy as the best gear available to their competition, they will soon lose their money and their fame, and be looking for work somewhere in a different field.
You'll find several brands used by the top shots. They all will deliver very nearly equal accuracy, or the best shots in the world couldn't be persuaded to go into competition using their product. The numbers of very good shooters favoring one brand or another might be influenced by the deals the company makes with their shooters, and the contingency money paid to any competitors using their products, but if the gear doesn't deliver, it wouldn't even be in the contest.
Hoyt does have their product represented in that crowd at the trophy presentation ceremony, but so does Mathews, Bowtech, PSE, and others. Despite the enthusiasm of their advertising agencies, there is no magic bow that multiplies the archer's abilities 100 times.
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Post by tickman1961 on Jun 13, 2011 9:51:55 GMT -5
Nor is there a magic crossbow that multiplies the archer's ability 100 times.....
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Post by Russ Koon on Jun 13, 2011 10:35:02 GMT -5
Except that by the very nature of a crossbow, it can be shot from a rest, such as a tripod or bench, or even a handy limb of a blowdown, just like a gun.
And it only requires that the shooter is able to make a steady hold of the buttstock while squeezing the trigger and holding the crosshairs of the scope on the target, just like a gun. It therefore eliminates most of the variables that must be mastered for accuracy with a bow.
Does it multiply the archer's ability? No, it makes the shooter's archery ability completely irrelevant and unnecessary, and replaces it with his ability as a rifle marksman.
That's why they were invented in China and adopted by the militaries of Europe in the Dark Ages, because they could be used effectively by troops without requiring extensive training.
And that's why they are NOT bows, but another weapon entirely and not the subject of this post.
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