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Post by tandem160 on Mar 28, 2011 17:59:11 GMT -5
Just looking for pros and cons of CRP. Looking at 21 acres, I have a good relationship with the existing farmer but, CRP will pay three times as much than renting it to the farmer. Obviously, corn is great deer attractor but can managed CRP (WSG's) bring them in as well as corn? The field has two sides borderering National Forest property. Any thoughts before I sign away ten years of doing whatever the hell I want on my property?
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Post by tenring on Mar 28, 2011 20:55:29 GMT -5
Don't forget your wildlife food plots on your proposal.
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Post by drs on Mar 29, 2011 6:16:29 GMT -5
For the past two years; I've tried to have the back field portion of my property placed into CRP. Contacted the Ky F&W Dept. but was unable to receive any help from them at all. Since I don't own a tractor or any farming/planting implements; I need to have them locate a local farmer to do the food plots. Even had the area Wildlife Biologist (A JOKE) come out & while he was very nice, he didn't seem to be interested in helping me. In fact I knew more than he did on this subject!! When someone finally did show-up they didn't even walk the area I wanted to place in CRP, he just stayed on our driveway & came up with excuses. He said he didn't know anyone who would help with the food plots, which seemed strange to me in an agricultural county.  My Brother and I are starting to think that the area people are just plain lazy. (Sorry to have to say that)  At this point it all seems like politics to me as to who receives aid & advice on placing certain portions of their property in a CRP Program. |
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Post by parrothead on Mar 29, 2011 7:08:33 GMT -5
Is this farm ground or just a pasture? I think my CRP is 85 per acre. Cash rent is a lot more on farm ground of course depending on your area.
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Post by tenring on Mar 29, 2011 8:00:14 GMT -5
Start with your FSA, not the state offices as CRP is a Federal program.
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Post by throbak on Mar 29, 2011 8:02:05 GMT -5
crp payments are based on avg rent payed in the arae so they will be different
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Post by tandem160 on Mar 30, 2011 15:59:07 GMT -5
Thanks for the input guys. Sorry to hear about the tough luck in KY. CRP is a federal program so you do want to start at the USDA/FSA offices. Although ours works closely with with the states district biologists. Still wondering corn or CRP though. I have until April 14th to decide.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 30, 2011 16:55:14 GMT -5
Not sure what all the particulars are for your area. Sometimes sanctuary cover is more important than a food source in drawing deer, especially bucks.
We've got 40 acres that we hunt.
28 acres is in woods,
2 acres in a food plot
10 acres is a big grown up weed field with weeds higher than our heads..
We never go into the weed field.
I know that I love hunting close to CRP in Illinois..
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Post by drs on Mar 31, 2011 5:40:57 GMT -5
Not sure what all the particulars are for your area. Sometimes sanctuary cover is more important than a food source in drawing deer, especially bucks. We've got 40 acres that we hunt. 28 acres is in woods, 2 acres in a food plot 10 acres is a big grown up weed field with weeds higher than our heads.. We never go into the weed field. I know that I love hunting close to CRP in Illinois.. Woody, On my property, I got around 83 acres inwhich to hunt. Of that 83 acres: Wooded areas are 65% Open (Weedy) Fields (2) are around 35% The backfield has some small groves of trees with Honeysuckle, but not a great deal of it around. I fertilized earlier this month with 10-10-10. Also there is number of grasses, of some value for wildlife, but this is a need for improvement. We have lots of Virginia Pine, Oak, Hickory, Maple, Sourwood, Beech, Poplar, and some Persimmon trees. There is also a lot of "sanctuary cover " for all species of Wildlife. Just need to place around three small food plots in the backfield.  |
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Post by cedarthicket on Mar 31, 2011 22:44:18 GMT -5
Just looking for pros and cons of CRP. Looking at 21 acres, I have a good relationship with the existing farmer but, CRP will pay three times as much than renting it to the farmer. Obviously, corn is great deer attractor but can managed CRP (WSG's) bring them in as well as corn? The field has two sides borderering National Forest property. Any thoughts before I sign away ten years of doing whatever the hell I want on my property? Have you considered having your existing farmer (or another farmer) raise some nice clover or alfalfa hay on all or a part of the 21 acres? Talk about a nice deer attraction with the adjacent National Forest! Also, you can sell a couple cuttings of hay each year and still attract the deer in the fall. And, you do not have to have your land tied up by a government contract that greatly limits how you can manage your land for at least 10 years. I believe that penalties for breaking such a contract are quite severe. |
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Post by parrothead on Apr 1, 2011 7:13:53 GMT -5
I did that on a couple of fields. They are food plots for me. But since they are farm fields I could write off the seed, fert, etc. I have a farmer cut it and do it all and he pays me $3 per square bale. Had over 2,000 bales last year. Alflafa isnt cheap is one bad thing the RR stuff is around $500 per bag.
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Post by drs on Apr 1, 2011 7:31:56 GMT -5
I did that on a couple of fields. They are food plots for me. But since they are farm fields I could write off the seed, fert, etc. I have a farmer cut it and do it all and he pays me $3 per square bale. Had over 2,000 bales last year. Alflafa isnt cheap is one bad thing the RR stuff is around $500 per bag. Sounds like a GREAT plan you have going there, parrothead. How many acres are your two fields of Alfalfa?? |
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Post by fullrut on Apr 1, 2011 17:28:38 GMT -5
I just enrolled 13 acres in CRP and am planting warm season grasses in it. Grass should grow 8+ foot tall and make great bedding. My proposal also has a 1 acre food plot in it. Our area CRP pays 115 per acre and cash rent is around 130 per acre. You also get paid to plant the grass. They pay for the seed and all costs associated in the planting. WIN WIN for me. Also check out the CREP program. AWESOME program that really pays well, especially if you are in a floodplain. Almost enough to make a land payment.
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Post by throbak on Apr 1, 2011 19:10:30 GMT -5
what needs to be considerd is the crp programs are promoting Conservation it is not a money making program for land owners It is to help defry the cost for soil and water conservation and help wildlife
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Post by fullrut on Apr 1, 2011 21:07:58 GMT -5
Definitely for me its all about erosion control and wildlife. The money is just icing on the cake.
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Post by tandem160 on Apr 2, 2011 10:32:32 GMT -5
Thanks for the info guys. I've decided against CRP and I did not qualify for CREP because the property is not in the 100 year flood plain. I'm going to let the farmer keep doing his thing. I've asked a few people I know in programs and I believe it is a wash. I've got a 7 acre WHIP to finish this year and I want to see the results of that before I get deeper with goverment. The farmer is a young guy just starting out and he's been great to work with so the friendship thing wins out although, I am going to ask for $75.00 an acre next year and that I get to "knock down" a few stalks for deer. Again thanks for the discussion.
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Post by throbak on Apr 2, 2011 18:02:42 GMT -5
before I called it a wash. I think I would check on cp33, did you talk to anyone at the nrcs office to even check on a program that was tailor made for you???
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Post by steiny on Apr 27, 2011 16:58:18 GMT -5
I've got about 100 acres of 140 in CRP programs. About 60 acres in warm season prairie grass and the balance in various tree plantings, food plots, etc. The stuff not in CRP is woods, wetlands, lanes and the house and barnyard.
Fullrut is right. You get an annual payment, plus some cost share on the planting expenses.
Set up my place for deer hunting, and still get a decent chunk of income to cover taxes and some farm expenses.
I figure for all of the dang tax dollars that obama takes from me every year, I'm going to get mine back however I can, and this is one way of doing it.
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My Brother and I are starting to think that the area people are just plain lazy. (Sorry to have to say that) 
At this point it all seems like politics to me as to who receives aid & advice on placing certain portions of their property in a CRP Program.
