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Post by hornharvester on Mar 10, 2011 12:09:03 GMT -5
Technology in hunting equipment has made leaps and bounds in the last few years, when do we draw the line and say "enough is enough"? How much advantage do these new gadgets give us? Are we gone to kill to many deer using these new tools? Im very interested in what you all think. h.h.
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Post by trapperdave on Mar 10, 2011 12:53:03 GMT -5
same question was asked with the introductions of compounds, scoped shotguns, rifled shotguns, modern inline muzzies, 99% letoff compounds etc. The world will continue to evolve, fight it as we may. Just because something is available and legal does not mean one must use it. Ill support any ethical advances, but will continue to challenge myself with primitive and traditional gear. If i get too hungry, Ill break out my modern inline muzzy with scope
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Post by swilk on Mar 10, 2011 12:55:24 GMT -5
My opinion ....
There is only one product "type" that I can currently think of that I dont like and wish would make it into the "illegal" category: The remotely viewable game cams.
Other than those I think that most gadgets just solidify the notion that a fool and his money are easily parted.
people spend oodles of money on fancy camo .... guys kill deer in blue jeans every year.
people spend oodles of money on the latest greatest bows each year ..... guys dig out the 25 year old Bear Whitetail Hunters and kill deer every year.
people spend oodles of money on shotgun slugs each year .... and guys go out with Remington Sluggers and kill deer every year.
Very few products make a good hunter "better". Even fewer products will make a bad hunter "good".
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Post by parson on Mar 10, 2011 13:12:04 GMT -5
Interesting thread. Now I have to try to rid my mind of images of that deer in blue jeans!!!!
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Post by swilk on Mar 10, 2011 13:16:00 GMT -5
;D
urban deer. hat sideways .... blue jeans hanging below their tail.
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Post by 76chevy on Mar 10, 2011 13:30:50 GMT -5
dave nailed it same question was asked with the introductions of compounds, scoped shotguns, rifled shotguns, modern inline muzzies, 99% letoff compounds etc. The world will continue to evolve, fight it as we may. Just because something is available and legal does not mean one must use it. Ill support any ethical advances, but will continue to challenge myself with primitive and traditional gear. If i get too hungry, Ill break out my modern inline muzzy with scope
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Post by hornharvester on Mar 10, 2011 13:51:45 GMT -5
I agree with trapperdave. Change is ineffable and the changes we will see in the future will be almost imaginable.
We seen slug guns go from max 100 yard guns to 250 yards or more,........ bows from stick and string to high tech let-off with wheels....., open sight side hammer muzzle loaders shooting black powder to scoped, saboted, modern inlines using smokeless powder.......and yet with all these new high fangled gizmo's the deer herd keeps on growing. h.h.
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Post by Genesis 27:3 on Mar 10, 2011 13:56:32 GMT -5
Good topic. Of course I'm one of the inline muzzle loader, compound bow shooting guys but that's the gear I was introduced to when I started.
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Post by drs on Mar 10, 2011 13:57:09 GMT -5
My opinion .... There is only one product "type" that I can currently think of that I dont like and wish would make it into the "illegal" category: The remotely viewable game cams. Other than those I think that most gadgets just solidify the notion that a fool and his money are easily parted. people spend oodles of money on fancy camo .... guys kill deer in blue jeans every year. people spend oodles of money on the latest greatest bows each year ..... guys dig out the 25 year old Bear Whitetail Hunters and kill deer every year. people spend oodles of money on shotgun slugs each year .... and guys go out with Remington Sluggers and kill deer every year. Very few products make a good hunter "better". Even fewer products will make a bad hunter "good". My Opinion TOO.
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Post by jjas on Mar 10, 2011 14:07:16 GMT -5
same question was asked with the introductions of compounds, scoped shotguns, rifled shotguns, modern inline muzzies, 99% letoff compounds etc. The world will continue to evolve, fight it as we may. Just because something is available and legal does not mean one must use it. Ill support any ethical advances, but will continue to challenge myself with primitive and traditional gear. If i get too hungry, Ill break out my modern inline muzzy with scope ...There are things out that I don't really care for and/or use and that's my choice.
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Post by tickman1961 on Mar 10, 2011 15:49:41 GMT -5
Woodmanship and marksmanship kills, everything else is just a gimic......
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 10, 2011 15:52:18 GMT -5
Woodmanship and marksmanship kills, everything else is just a gimic...... BINGO!!
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Post by mbogo on Mar 10, 2011 16:07:26 GMT -5
No, we won't kill too many deer no matter how much technology advances. Modern hunting regulations and the very nature of modern hunting itself makes such a possibility extremely unlikely and advancing technology often tends to serve as more of a crutch for many people than an overwhelming advantage. To see the truth of this, all one has to do is look at all the advancements in hunting technology in the past 15 years and then compare it to the trends in our deer population over that same time span.
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Post by dsayer on Mar 10, 2011 16:41:28 GMT -5
Ill support any ethical advances, but will continue to challenge myself with primitive and traditional gear. If i get too hungry, Ill break out my modern inline muzzy with scope My thoughts exactly. I use a Hawken-style muzzleloader or my bow (it's a compound, but I still consider that primitive) when I'm going "hunting," and pull out the .338 Marlin Express and head to Nebraska when I want to top off my freezer and spend more time drinking beer with dad and my buddy than freezing my butt off in the woods.
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Post by treetop on Mar 10, 2011 17:14:03 GMT -5
My opinion .... There is only one product "type" that I can currently think of that I dont like and wish would make it into the "illegal" category: The remotely viewable game cams. Other than those I think that most gadgets just solidify the notion that a fool and his money are easily parted. people spend oodles of money on fancy camo .... guys kill deer in blue jeans every year. people spend oodles of money on the latest greatest bows each year ..... guys dig out the 25 year old Bear Whitetail Hunters and kill deer every year. people spend oodles of money on shotgun slugs each year .... and guys go out with Remington Sluggers and kill deer every year. Very few products make a good hunter "better". Even fewer products will make a bad hunter "good". My Opinion TOO.Same here I would almost like to see all trails cam gone here again thats just MHO
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Post by budfields on Mar 10, 2011 17:57:55 GMT -5
I believe it is EXTREMELY difficult to beat DEDICATION, LOYALTY, DESIRE and CONFIDENCE,. The BEST equipment available is merely a tool for success. IF it is used IMPROPERLY, the most highly educated mind would be WORTHLESS if it were NOT used adequately...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2011 18:19:17 GMT -5
Had to go back and see who posted this thread.......thought for a minute or so it was our pal Gundude, who has been asking this question for awhile now. The answer is maybe never. The current proposed changes are in response to a predicted out of control deer herd, and the simple fact that the DNR has to maintain the ability to manage the herd. When age old seasons and weapons structure does not get the job done, then it's time for a change.
When shotgun slug technology allows slugs to kill out to 250 yards, there was no reason not to allow the PCRs. Whne it becomes obvious that the PCRs should be expanded, and the hunters want the change, then there is no reason not to change the regs.
Same goes for adding x-bow into Oct. It's a small change that might give the DNR an edge in keeping up with the expanding deer herd. Time will tell, heck might be that the season needs to be expanded into Sept. or Late January.
The point is, that times change, as do the dynamics of game management, and the DNR and hunters will always see change and adapt to them, at least most of us will.
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Post by duff on Mar 10, 2011 18:57:11 GMT -5
That's a terrible question that will solve nothing but more bickering. Who remembers having to draw for doe tags? Who would have thought 30 years ago we would have such liberal limit on deer? Dead is dead, if Jimmy kills one with his bow, rifle, pistol, crossbow, or vehicle what does that change. The slippery slope has been paved with snot all based on the liberal tag limits. If we can't kill enough during hunting season using traditional gear why not open up the other weapons? What are they afraid of? Why would anyone care what weapon I use as long as it is in a responsible manner?
Where will we be in the future? It all depends on what happens with the deer herd. I can see it get to be like small game hunting. Hardly anyone would particpate regarless of the weapon.
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Post by throbak on Mar 11, 2011 0:00:27 GMT -5
Duff I remember my first season in Madison Co. 1977 or so saw deer around P-town bought a Kodiac Mag practiced till midnight at the park in P-Town under the lights till I could hit a paper plate at 20, went out the next am shot till I ran out of arros at a deer, for the next 10 yrs or so you hunted all year for a look at a deer let alone a shot ahhh the good ole days my first deer was in 81 at P-Town
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Post by duff on Mar 11, 2011 17:21:11 GMT -5
I did the same thing but it wasn't the first season. I was 16 bought a bow off a buddy's dad who couldn't use it any longer got to hitting the paper plate decent and drug an old alum. folding lawn chair out to my uncle's woods up near Frankton. Was catching a bit of shut eye when I was waken by a thundering herd of 1 doe and 2 yearlings. I let loose all my arrows and even went out to pick them up in the hay field and got to watch my best friend take a crack at the big doe. He missed too and so it began.... But that was only 19 years ago...those were the good old days! Most of the guys I played football with were PO'd cause they would have to drive all the way to Sulivan to hunt or so they and their dads thought.
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