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Post by indyqdog on Feb 25, 2011 18:03:59 GMT -5
just got my first diaphragm call. its hard. ive watched vids but i still can get it. any helpful hints?
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Post by gobblerstopper on Feb 25, 2011 18:16:19 GMT -5
Practice, Practice and Practice some more. If you are not choking on it and are getting some kind of sound out of it, you can learn to call turkeys with it.
Make sure that it fits tight in the roof of your mouth. You don't want any air getting out around the edges. Most production mouth calls need to have the tape cut down on them to get a good fit. Another thing that most people do is blow too hard. It doesn't take a whole lot of air to get them to work right.
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Post by Greenedog on Feb 25, 2011 20:38:38 GMT -5
Yep. Just keep at it and you'll get it. I started keeping mine in the glove box of my truck when I was first getting started and would pop it in when ever I went somewhere(alone ;D).
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Post by Genesis 27:3 on Feb 25, 2011 21:10:21 GMT -5
I bought my first mouth calls this year as well and after much practice I am finally getting the hang of it. Just keep trying.
Greenedog, I keep mine in my squad car and while I am patroling around the county I do the same thing!
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Post by oneshot on Feb 26, 2011 7:01:56 GMT -5
Tongue pressure is the key. First try to get a good sound, then say chick, while loosing tongue pressure. This will give you the to note yelp.
A single or a double reed will be easier to learn on than say a split reed.
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Post by ski on Feb 26, 2011 9:33:54 GMT -5
Trim the call to fit the roof of your mouth better.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 26, 2011 9:39:46 GMT -5
Getting past the gag part was an accomplishment for me.  Even though I have learned to do yelps and cutts with the mouth call I basically use the mouth call to do clucks for close in work. My go to call is a slate pot call. |
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Post by tomthreetoes on Feb 26, 2011 9:50:51 GMT -5
Try to find an instructional video, it'll help a bunch. I had my first caller backwards for a good while till I learned better. It just takes time and practice. Find a seasoned turkey hunter to help if you can. The right cadence is more important than the perfect sound. No two turkeys sound the same anyway.
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Post by indyqdog on Feb 26, 2011 11:37:25 GMT -5
Well i trimmed down the tape and finally figured out thhat blowing upwards and pressing my tounge against my bottom teeth. The guy working on my internet and tv saw my bow hunting magazine laying out and we talked so he got a kick out of me finally learning to use it. For 3.74 at walmart, im very happy. Hope to get a nice tom this year
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Post by danf on Feb 26, 2011 19:04:27 GMT -5
A single or a double reed will be easier to learn on than say a split reed. Most definitely. Get a single reed FIRST to learn on, regardless of whether you intend to use it in the field. Once you figure out the nuances with a single reed, then the split reeds will be much, much easier. |
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Post by stevein on Feb 26, 2011 23:46:18 GMT -5
I totally disagree on single reeds being simpler. You have to work it to make a yelp. A double or triple reed has the notes built in. To learn control on double or triple reeds press your tonger against the call and blow a long note. Do not move your tonger. After a few seconds slowly lower your tonger until the pitch changes. With a 3 reed repeat. It should be like YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE--LLLLLLLLLLLLL--P. When you can make each reed work speed it up.
I don't leave calls in my vehicle for any time. When it gets warm and the sun beats down on a closed up interior you will be out getting new calls.
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Post by smshinall on Feb 28, 2011 22:32:25 GMT -5
I learned (and am still learning) to use a turkey mouth call almost overnight. Am I special? No. I owe my success to using a coyote mouth call and learning to howl on it. Once you can make any single note and be able to make that same note on command and even. The rest is just learning reference words basically. Once you make that first note, the rest is litterally just talking through the call almost. I think the Primos Mastering The Calling of turkey is a GREAT tool to listen to. I still listen to it in my truck almost one a week If I had to give some quick tips cut and dry to use some would be
1 Keep it simple IE No cuts or cackles or gobbles. Learn the yelps and clucks and maybe the pur. Contented calls are best to learn first and then you can work your way up to the sexy talk. When I first learned, I tried cutting before yelping and let me just tell you that was a huge waste of time because it was just a bunch of random NOISE.
2 Keep it simple IE Start with anything straight, keep the raspy calls for the field and practice with straight reeds. A double or triple are great. This will let you hear the actual sounds that the call will make. Those raspy sounds you hear up front when calling don't carry very far in the field, What you hear with a straight reed is what the turkeys hear about 100 yards away,
3 Don't get discouraged, have fun. Even if you can't seem to get some calls down (I cannot cackle or gobble) don't worry because the money calls are the easiest ones to learn. Purrs, clucks and yelps KILL BIRDS period.
I'm tired and im rambling on....
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Post by hunter7x on Mar 1, 2011 10:33:30 GMT -5
Keep in mind you don't have to sound like a Pro for them to work.
A couple of years ago on the last day of the season it was hot and humid and I was tired of lugging my turkey vest all over creation. I was calling for someone else and just grabbed my mouth diaphram which usually just gathers dust. I really didn't think there was any way in the world we were going to find a bird that late in the day or season. I even made the comment if I leave all this stuff in the truck we will probably have birds all over us.
Sure enough after coming around the corner of a field there was a lone long beard about 200 yards out. My first thought was WHERE IS MY POOR VALLEY SLATE!!!!
I popped the diaphragm in and proceeded to let loose some of the most gawd awful noises you've ever heard.... and that bird came on a string strutting and drumming the whole way, killed dead at 15 yards.
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 1, 2011 11:05:08 GMT -5
Keep in mind you don't have to sound like a Pro for them to work. A couple of years ago on the last day of the season it was hot and humid and I was tired of lugging my turkey vest all over creation. I was calling for someone else and just grabbed my mouth diaphram which usually just gathers dust. I really didn't think there was any way in the world we were going to find a bird that late in the day or season. I even made the comment if I leave all this stuff in the truck we will probably have birds all over us. Sure enough after coming around the corner of a field there was a lone long beard about 200 yards out. My first thought was WHERE IS MY POOR VALLEY SLATE!!!! I popped the diaphragm in and proceeded to let loose some of the most gawd awful noises you've ever heard.... and that bird came on a string strutting and drumming the whole way, killed dead at 15 yards. Been there and done that. I killed a bird many years ago in Missouri. John Trout Jr. dropped me off on a logging road on a ridge about 2 miles from where he was going. I stood there and as the dawn started up a gobbler cut loose a couple ridges over. I went down in two valleys and up two ridges to get to him. I was MUCH younger then but it still took a toll on me. By the time I got on the ridge where he was at I was gasping for air. I sat down against a tree and started my calling BLACCK! uh BLACKETY BLAAACCKKK! Awful sounding call.. I never was much good with a mouth call, but this was bad even by my standards. Much to my surprise I got an immediate answer and I could see two birds headed down the ridge. I lost sight of them for a bit and then I could see their heads just over the ridge. I let loose a CLLAAACCK which was supposed to be a CLUCK and they both turned and headed my way. My thought - first one over the rise gets it. I shot the first one and down he went. The other bird flew off with what appeared to be a rather nice looking beard dangling down. I ran up to the bird I shot and discovered he was a jake. At that point I did not care. I was still out of breath fronm the up and down climb. Another time I was set up on a bird in Pike county when all of a sudden I hear a BRAAACCKK from over on the left. I thought,"Oh no! Some joker on a box call that doesn't know what he is doing". I'd call and the "joker on the box call" would answer back. I was getting whizzed. All of a sudden I see a jake pop over the hill and he goes 'BRAAACCKK". No box call joker, just an awful sounding jake. He paid the Price. No, we do not have to be grand champion callers to kill birds. |
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Post by hunter7x on Mar 1, 2011 11:55:48 GMT -5
BLACCK! uh BLACKETY BLAAACCKKK!
LOL yup I think those are the same sounds I used!
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Post by Indyhunter on Mar 1, 2011 19:43:39 GMT -5
Aside from trimming the fabric to fit, what made a big difference for me was a call with an aluminum frame that could be bent to fit the roof of my mouth. (A slight bend goes a long way!) When I first started it was Primos that carried these for the most part. Made the biggest difference for me, then practice practice. I can use mine pretty well, but rarely do until I have one coming in and want to limit movement. A very soft cluck can work wonders for those last few yards.
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Post by dbd870 on Mar 2, 2011 5:18:50 GMT -5
I've tried them and had the gag issue - didn't have the patience to get over the learning curve - I just use a slate as my go to call and a carry a box as well but don't use it all that often.
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Post by turkeyscout on Mar 2, 2011 8:02:22 GMT -5
Aside from trimming the fabric to fit, what made a big difference for me was a call with an aluminum frame that could be bent to fit the roof of my mouth. (A slight bend goes a long way!) When I first started it was Primos that carried these for the most part. Made the biggest difference for me, then practice practice. I can use mine pretty well, but rarely do until I have one coming in and want to limit movement. A very soft cluck can work wonders for those last few yards. ............................and you told me" scratching in the leaves" was the best call....................turkey scout |
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Post by tickman1961 on Mar 2, 2011 10:01:18 GMT -5
Great advice in this thread, bought me a diaphram call last fall and been trying to figure that sucker out ever since, slowly starting to get the hang of it.
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Post by Indyhunter on Mar 3, 2011 18:14:43 GMT -5
Aside from trimming the fabric to fit, what made a big difference for me was a call with an aluminum frame that could be bent to fit the roof of my mouth. (A slight bend goes a long way!) When I first started it was Primos that carried these for the most part. Made the biggest difference for me, then practice practice. I can use mine pretty well, but rarely do until I have one coming in and want to limit movement. A very soft cluck can work wonders for those last few yards. ............................and you told me" scratching in the leaves" was the best call....................turkey scout It rarely fails when all else does! Although I was referring strictly to calling sounds Scout. Give a rookie a break! |
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