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Post by cambygsp on Apr 15, 2007 6:50:55 GMT -5
Every year Indiana produces more harvested turkeys than the previous year. Our turkey flock is STILL expanding and it is also doing wonderfull!
If the laws we have in place now is allowing for the flock to grow, and it is producing great opportunity for the turkey hunters, why should we enact the no calling prior to the season rule?
On private ground, why would anyone care if a hunter was educating the birds on their land, prior to the season?
On public ground, it is open for use by other type of users year round, so the turkey there are probably a little more wise anyways.
I don't have a problem with Indiana's current system.....How you gonna enforce the no calling prior to the season on private property?
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Post by bsutravis on Apr 15, 2007 7:48:07 GMT -5
Camby..... There might be some that beg to differ on the notion that a turkey gets call shy, or gets educated, however I think that the ovewhelming majority will agree that it doesn't take very many times for a gobbler to come towards a yelp, only to discover a human before he goes into stealth mode. The main feeling that I have as to why this would be a good restriction is the fact that most guys aren't going to go wreck their own spots, but drive into state lands and/or private land that they don't hunt and call away. The spirit of the law would be to let the birds rest and resume their normal patterns without the barrage of guys pulling off the side of the road, stepping out and hitting their box calls or walking into the woods and working hot birds to see how close they can get before the gobbler sees them and spooks.
The law doesn't have anything to do with the flock's growth or stability. We have plenty of laws in place that aren't there necessarily for the benefit of the growth of the game animal. Hopefully, the fact that such a law is on the books would be enough to stop folks from doing it, but enforcement would be fairly easy in public areas that have DNR employees that routinely help tip off ICO's to violations that they might witness while on their jobs. I just thought that it was a reasonable requirement that Kentucky has, as well as Illinois prior to their Spring opener.
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Post by cambygsp on Apr 15, 2007 7:56:27 GMT -5
If they are on others private property without permission, then they are already in violation, calling or not.
I don't do any pre season calling in the hunting woods, so if the law were enacted it wouldnt affect me, however I still don't see a need to make ANOTHER law.
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Post by bsutravis on Apr 15, 2007 7:59:44 GMT -5
If they are on others private property without permission, then they are already in violation, calling or not. Nothing trespassing if they stay on the road and call away, or roll their windows down and stay in the cab. |
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Post by gobblerstopper on Apr 15, 2007 8:10:27 GMT -5
...however I think that the overwhelming majority will agree that it doesn't take very many times for a gobbler to come towards a yelp, only to discover a human before he goes into stealth mode.... Would you agree that it doesn't take a gobbler being spooked by anything (yelping or not) repeatedly to cause him to go into stealth mode? There are more people out walking the woods scouting and looking for mushrooms right now than call to a turkey out of season throughout the year. Who is hurting the turkey hunting most? I'm all for laws that better the hunting, so could someone give me just a little proof in black and white that this law would do that? How about the success rates for states that have the law vs. those that do not in relation to the total turkey population? I hunt Kentucky where they have this law. I hunt mostly on public ground and very little private ground. There are no difference's between the birds down there that don't get called to and the birds up here that do. Maybe they can have a 5 year trial period and see if hunter success rate climbs to 40-50% and credit the law? It won't. It isn't that high anywhere. Last time I checked it was between 20-35% all across the country. Regardless of having this law or not. So many people say they would support this law because it would keep some guy from going to their property or their hunting ground and ruining the hunting. Isn't there all ready trespassing laws that would cover this on private ground? How come when asked about a 2 bird limit, so many people say, "leave it up to the biologist to decide." But when asked about calling turkeys out of season, the everyday hunter is a turkey expert. Biologist do study turkey behavior, reaction to environmental changes and behavior among turkeys too. Shouldn't they be left to decide when this law is needed also? |
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Post by bsutravis on Apr 15, 2007 8:31:45 GMT -5
Let's not turn this into a PCR debate..... my original post was just for converstation, not for some heated debate to turn turkey hunters against each other. LOL. I had never heard about the "Do not call" law (no, not the one that stops phone calls), and it sounded like a good idea from my personal experiences that I have seen in dealing with people calling birds in the pre-season.
My reply to your question in the first paragraph about the mushroom hunters would be that the instant a gobbler hears a voice or hears loud movement, he's gonna move away... That's not the same as being coaxed in, and then either A. not see the "hen" and eventually move away in disgust, or B. work in till he sees the hunter and gets the stuffin' scared out of him as he heads for the next county. Sure, turkeys get spooked all the time, but spooked enough and they will associate big guy in green clothes + loud hen call = no more gobbling for me, I'll just stay quiet and sneak around the woods for my lady hens!
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Post by gobblerstopper on Apr 15, 2007 8:41:25 GMT -5
Travis, I'm not trying to turn it into any heated debate at all. Just a looking for facts that support this law bettering the hunting. I haven't found any yet. I see no need for a law that really doesn't do anything.
This law all goes back to the theory of "call shy" and whether a person believes it to be true or not. I still am not going to believe that a turkey has the ability to see a hunter when approaching what he thinks is a hen and never answer a turkey call the rest of season. He is probably going to become "people shy", but not call shy. His hormones won't allow it.
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Post by bsutravis on Apr 15, 2007 8:46:11 GMT -5
It's ok GS.... just didn't want things to get as hot as a 2 year old bird on a crisp morning (that hasn't been called to by goobers running around the woods) LOL / I couldn't resist.  Difference in opinions....... no biggie. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 15, 2007 11:20:30 GMT -5
My personal opinion is we give way too much credit of intelligence to the game we pursue.
With that said I don't go to where hunt, or anywhere else, and try and call in birds prior to season.
I'll wait until I am out there seriously.....
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