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Post by bsutravis on Apr 13, 2007 7:47:55 GMT -5
Kyle E. and I were talking about this yesterday, and I wasn't aware until he told me about Kentucky's Spring Turkey rule that prohibits calling to turkeys after March 1st, before the season begins in April.
I think this is a great idea! I've see numerous people calling in birds before the season starts and I think it can totally wreck a hunting area. I've ran into people before season calling in birds to video tape them..... I've heard stories of people calling in birds and shooting paint balls at them.... I've never liked the idea of getting the birds call-shy before the season even rolls around.
I think the use of locater calls is perfectly ok prior to the season so you can get an idea of where the birds are, roosting areas, etc., just leave the slates/mouth/box calls at home.
Kentucky's law is from March 1st till the season opens, I think that is a bit long. I realize the need to allow new hunters / youngsters into the woods to get some experience with turkey calls...and I think that they could adequately do this before April 1st, since our season is always at the end of the month. I'd just like to see a 3-4 week cooling down period prior to the opener.
Thoughts???
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Post by booner1331 on Apr 13, 2007 8:07:16 GMT -5
I think it would be real silly to call your turkey's in prior to the season. Don't educate you're birds.
2 weeks ago I sat in a blind to video and take photos of the turkey's coming into the field.
I didn't call your use a decoy, just let them do there natural thing. it worked just fine. Had a tom in at 20 yards strutting away.
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Post by dwhunting on Apr 13, 2007 8:43:53 GMT -5
I agree that no Turkey calls should be allowed in the woods before the season. Locator calls only.
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Post by firelt72 on Apr 13, 2007 10:56:31 GMT -5
The thing I hate is legislating intelligents. I mean we shouldn't call prior to opening day, locator calls the night before excluded for roosting, but I just don't like a law to tell me how I as suposed to "act". I should know better. If someone is on private ground, let them call all they want.
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Post by brich60 on Apr 13, 2007 11:02:19 GMT -5
I`d be ok with that rule.
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Post by hornharvester on Apr 13, 2007 11:20:33 GMT -5
Great law especially on public land! Guys drive around and call on these birds starting in late March and get them call smart. I see this all the time at Salamonie Reservoir. h.h.
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Post by bsutravis on Apr 13, 2007 11:33:04 GMT -5
The thing I hate is legislating intelligents. The problem is the guys riding around without the intelligence in the first place! I think the biggest problem with the pre-season calling, is that most guys DO know that the birds will get call-shy.....so, what do they do? They go "practice" on someone else's birds. Usually that means driving to the nearest piece of public land and then letting loose with calls to birds that they will never be hunting when the season rolls around.
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Post by Woody Williams on Apr 13, 2007 11:40:40 GMT -5
The thing I hate is legislating intelligents. The problem is the guys riding around without the intelligence in the first place! I think the biggest problem with the pre-season calling, is that most guys DO know that the birds will get call-shy.....so, what do they do? They go "practice" on someone else's birds. Usually that means driving to the nearest piece of public land and then letting loose with calls to birds that they will never be hunting when the season rolls around. Agreed..I can see thai as a law for public ground where some folks don't have a choice in hunting. Private ground? I don't know about that. If a guy wants to screw up his own hunting, let him..
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Post by kevin1 on Apr 13, 2007 12:11:17 GMT -5
You can't call turkeys in during the season unless you've practiced and conditioned your calls before the season, and you can't muffle a turkey call, if anyone knows a way around that I'm listening. We already have enough rules to follow because of other people's stupidity, and if it was easy it wouldn't be called hunting.
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Post by larryhagmansliver on Apr 13, 2007 12:20:49 GMT -5
Good Post Travis. I voted people should be allowed to call anytime just because I don't want to see any more laws. We all know that educating is the birds is a bad thing and certainly doesn't help, but we need to educate each other as well. Going into the woods and erecting a permanent stand the week before gun season also screws things up for guys trying to bowhunt deer, but the dumb ones will still do it because they just don't care.
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Post by jstalljon on Apr 13, 2007 12:29:44 GMT -5
I agree as well. No need to educate the birds. Lucikly for me, I have enough pheasants running around from "errant put and take shooters" on neighboring properties that there are plenty of natural shock gobbles coming from the trees!
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Post by firelt72 on Apr 13, 2007 12:59:17 GMT -5
You can't call turkeys in during the season unless you've practiced and conditioned your calls before the season, and you can't muffle a turkey call, if anyone knows a way around that I'm listening. We already have enough rules to follow because of other people's stupidity, and if it was easy it wouldn't be called hunting. You don't have to go to the woods to practice turkey calls, you practice at home, in the car. Ask my wife , the kids and the dog I drive them all nuts. You can practice without hurting the hunting. You can get a tape recorder and record yourself, critique it and then keep practicing.
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Post by hardwickbv on Apr 13, 2007 13:09:09 GMT -5
Even it there was such a law . Would you expect it to be very high on the priority list for enforcement. I think there are worse problems to worry about. So why make another law.
my 2 cents
Bob
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Post by bsutravis on Apr 13, 2007 13:41:24 GMT -5
You are right hardwick... it wouldn't be top priority for ICO's, truth is, prior to the season opening I doubt many men on green are even in the woods since nothing is really in season. My feeling is that it WOULD be very enforceable on public lands, inside F&W areas and such, where you have a fair amount of DNR personnel driving around, as well as ICO's. Perhaps there are too many rules, but I'd be willing to take this one....and dump some other on to keep things on balance.
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Post by gobblerstopper on Apr 13, 2007 13:52:26 GMT -5
Has anyone ever called a bird in, got busted and still managed to kill the bird that season? Happens all the time. I missed one a couple of years ago that roosted on this point every morning down in Kentucky. Took several hours to get him to come in, but the next morning he was on a string right off the roost when my buddy tagged him.
I understand the law in Kentucky and it's intent, but for the last 11 years that I have hunted down there, I have noticed one thing. There is no difference in the birds on public ground in Kentucky compared to Indiana. I do not see how the law has any effect on the success of hunters. If you want to keep the birds calm and vocal, then scouting needs to be banned the month before season(just kidding about that). Of course, if the state of Indiana wanted to do this, they would have never went to the all day pressure.
Personally, I don't believe that "call shy" exist, but I also think that hunters give the turkey's intelligence too much credit. They hear other turkeys calling every day of the year. If you call a bird in and spook him, then I feel he is going to think, "hey, there was a big odd looking thing close to that hen." Everyone knows that turkeys are scared of everything. It's what keeps them alive in the first place. I'd like to follow a gobbler around all day just to see how many times he does get spooked. I bet we would all be amazed.
If someone calls to a bird that doesn't answer then they throw out "he's call shy". He may actually have hens all ready, be waiting on hens that meet him there every morning, be waiting on you to come to him like all other hens do or might just be scared to answer because he knows the boss gobbler is going to whip him if he does.
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Post by larryhagmansliver on Apr 13, 2007 20:49:00 GMT -5
All good points Gobblestopper. All good points. I don't have any evidence to prove you are right or wrong. I'm guessing we do give the turkeys too much credit though. I used to have chickens when I was a kid. Man were they stupid!!
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Post by Poor Valley on Apr 13, 2007 21:02:09 GMT -5
I agree with Gobblerstopper. I talk to the turkeys on my place year round. And not just toms either. As a matter of fact I prefer conversations with the hens except during season. They are the ones I want my calls to sound like in the first place.
Of course this time of the year I do try to attract the attention of the toms but I don't hang around long enough for them to find me. Next week will be a different story.
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Apr 13, 2007 21:55:54 GMT -5
I used to call to turkeys while I was mushroom hunting,back in my younger days..I always wondered why I couldn't get them to do much when it was time to hunt them..I don't do it anymore..
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Post by JohnSmiles on Apr 13, 2007 23:45:25 GMT -5
Kyle E. and I were talking about this yesterday, and I wasn't aware until he told me about Kentucky's Spring Turkey rule that prohibits calling to turkeys after March 1st, before the season begins in April. I think this is a great idea! I've see numerous people calling in birds before the season starts and I think it can totally wreck a hunting area. I've ran into people before season calling in birds to video tape them..... I've heard stories of people calling in birds and shooting paint balls at them.... I've never liked the idea of getting the birds call-shy before the season even rolls around. I think the use of locater calls is perfectly ok prior to the season so you can get an idea of where the birds are, roosting areas, etc., just leave the slates/mouth/box calls at home. Kentucky's law is from March 1st till the season opens, I think that is a bit long. I realize the need to allow new hunters / youngsters into the woods to get some experience with turkey calls...and I think that they could adequately do this before April 1st, since our season is always at the end of the month. I'd just like to see a 3-4 week cooling down period prior to the opener. Thoughts??? I know that tame turkeys are dumber than anything else on this planet able to walk. Wild turkey are not. And you very well CAN educate them by calling. But, what you choose to do on your own land is your business. I do not hunt public land at all anymore, and my opinion is that if they made it unlawful on public land April1st until turkey season I would not fight it.
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Post by songdog on Apr 14, 2007 20:40:40 GMT -5
Good rule because most turkey hunters know better than to call birds prior to the season opening ,however they will go over on someone elses hunting property and call because they do not care if they mess up someone elses gig.
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