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Post by Decatur on Jan 18, 2011 10:46:34 GMT -5
Taurus Introduces the Raging Judge in New CaliberMIAMI - Personal protection, home defense and sport shooting are easy work for the latest Taurus® Raging Judge that fires the larger, more powerful 28-gauge shotshell. The first Judge of its kind is ready to take on whatever comes your way. Whatever "it" happens to be. The Taurus Raging Judge in 28 gauge comes equipped with the distinctive "Raging Bull" cushioned insert grip for reduced felt recoil and its strong, ordnance grade steel frame is built to take everything the revolver dishes out. Additional features include a single-action/double-action trigger and highly visible fiber optic front sight. Available in blued or matte stainless finish with a 6.5 inch barrel, the Raging Judge in 28 gauge has overall length 13.75 inches and weighs 67 ounces. Like all Taurus handguns, the unique onboard Taurus Security System® allows users to securely lock the gun using an inconspicuous key-lock. Beginning as a small tool manufacturer in Porto Alegre, Brazil more than sixty years ago, Taurus has become a diversified, international company celebrating resounding success as one of the world's leading small arms manufacturers. In 1941 the company produced its first revolver, and in 1984 changed the industry forever by offering customers an unqualified LIFETIME REPAIR POLICY™, posting record growth every year since. For additional information about Taurus and its complete line of products, visit www.taurususa.com. High-resolution images are available for download at www.taurusdownloads.com. Visit Taurus at SHOT Show booth #14240. Contact: Chevalier Advertising, Marketing & Public Relations Chuck Fretwell - chuckf@chevalier-adv.com Kristin Hunt - kristinh@chevalier-adv.com
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 19, 2011 3:40:43 GMT -5
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Post by Decatur on Jan 19, 2011 9:59:57 GMT -5
Kind of what I thought Dbd870. I never really cared for the Judge. It seemed kitchy to me, and now S&W just came out with the "Governor" which is basically the same thing. They must sell well for S&W to jump on the bandwagon.
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 19, 2011 10:17:15 GMT -5
Yeah, kind of a depressing thought actually.
I wonder what price they will come out at and if it is significantly more than the Judge will it not sell well. I can't help but think the market for that kind of firearm will not support big $$$. ?
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Post by Decatur on Jan 19, 2011 10:18:25 GMT -5
You wouldn't think so. Like I said, I think it's a novelty item at best.
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Post by Sasquatch on Jan 27, 2011 18:39:54 GMT -5
You wouldn't think so. Like I said, I think it's a novelty item at best. A deadly novelty! I know that in a short range situation, like in your house, that .410 judge with the buckshot shells would be a very forgiving friend in a gunfight. Everybody likes to think they can maintain quarter-sized groups with their .45 when rousted out of bed at 1:00 am by the sound of breaking glass, but that's probably not always the case. |
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 28, 2011 5:21:43 GMT -5
That is the perception, however it isn't true. it doesn't perform all that well. The 45 is a much better choice. There just isn't any magic bullet to make up for good shot placement. If there is one thing you will come away from any shooting school with it is you have to hit well.
Your post does bring up a point worth repeating. Mindset (which needs to be developed ahead of time), awareness and tactics are far more important than the 9vs40vs45 debate that drones on. If you are a LEO and have the possibilty of windshield glass as a barrier then I'll go along with desiring a 45ACP, otherwise pick what you hit well with and have confidence in, load it with the proper ammo and move on.
We saw a classic example of an ammo failure at the youth hunt this year. A deer was shot with a 125gr JHP from a 357rifle; the clerk at the sporting goods store told them this was the best to use. The deer was never recovered. This round has risen to near mythical status as a killer thanks to a book by Marshall & Sanow, (which has been well debunked by those in the wound ballistics field) when in reality the performance we saw that day is a good example of it's shortcommings. If the round gets adequate penetration it is indeed quite effective, the problem is penetration with it is borderline in self defense situations, add the make up of a deer body and you get te result we had. I blame the M&S nonsense put forth for fun and profit and a clerk, not the hunters involved. In a self defense gun I care more about what ammo is in the 9mm or 45 than which one it is.
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Post by Sasquatch on Jan 28, 2011 7:50:32 GMT -5
That is the perception, however it isn't true. it doesn't perform all that well. The 45 is a much better choice. There just isn't any magic bullet to make up for good shot placement. If there is one thing you will come away from any shooting school with it is you have to hit well. Your post does bring up a point worth repeating. Mindset (which needs to be developed ahead of time), awareness and tactics are far more important than the 9vs40vs45 debate that drones on. If you are a LEO and have the possibilty of windshield glass as a barrier then I'll go along with desiring a 45ACP, otherwise pick what you hit well with and have confidence in, load it with the proper ammo and move on. We saw a classic example of an ammo failure at the youth hunt this year. A deer was shot with a 125gr JHP from a 357rifle; the clerk at the sporting goods store told them this was the best to use. The deer was never recovered. This round has risen to near mythical status as a killer thanks to a book by Marshall & Sanow, (which has been well debunked by those in the wound ballistics field) when in reality the performance we saw that day is a good example of it's shortcommings. If the round gets adequate penetration it is indeed quite effective, the problem is penetration with it is borderline in self defense situations, add the make up of a deer body and you get te result we had. I blame the M&S nonsense put forth for fun and profit and a clerk, not the hunters involved. In a self defense gun I care more about what ammo is in the 9mm or 45 than which one it is. My preference for a defense gun, given the time to reach for it, is a shotgun. Handguns are great, and I own several, but no handgun is a match for a twelve gauge. Runner up would probably be the mini-14; accurate and reliable, and third would probably be the .357 revolver, also accurate, and reliable.(I sure as hell wouldn't want to be on the other end of it) The x-factor for me is two young children. I have two handguns in places I can reach them quickly but the kids cannot; also, though they are out of reach I never let my kids see me retrieve them anyway. The long guns I keep unloaded for two reasons; #1 they are hard to hide from the kids and #2 no intruder can get them and use them against me or the family. I still don't buy most people being better off with a .45 than the Judge in a suprise situation. (possible exception being women ). Most folks, even cops with all their training, suck in gunfights. I can handle a firearm, but how would I do under pressure? I'd like to think I'd do a lot better than your average thug, but who knows. It might suprise you to know that I'd pick the .45 as well, but then I have shot mine a lot. I still think joe average would do better with a judge, or indeed any revolver. But that's my opinion, so thats why we need all kinds of guns to pick from, praise the Lord. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 28, 2011 8:03:48 GMT -5
My preference for a defense gun, given the time to reach for it, is a shotgun. Handguns are great, and I own several, but no handgun is a match for a twelve gauge. ... No noise would drive more fear into the hearts of perps than that of an 870 being racked. SHACK, SHACK!! Unmistakenable sound...  |
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 28, 2011 11:39:06 GMT -5
I see I was unclear (again!) when I mentioned the 45 I meant I'd rather see someone with 45Colt shells in the Judge than .410 buckshot - it really doesn't penetrate well from that weapon. (about 4.5" on ballistic gel!) Surprisingly enough it's only ~7.5in with a slug! I do also believe someone who isn't going to take much time with their handgun is better off with a wheelgun - and they would really be better off investing the time and $$$ to learn to really shoot whatever it is - we know not everyone is willing to do that though.
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Post by Decatur on Jan 28, 2011 12:08:47 GMT -5
I am a strong proponent for revolvers as self defense weapons. Especially for people new to firearms, or that just don't shoot much. When it comes to self defense, I believe that nothing is more important than using the KISS system!
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Post by Sasquatch on Jan 28, 2011 15:38:49 GMT -5
I see I was unclear (again!) when I mentioned the 45 I meant I'd rather see someone with 45Colt shells in the Judge than .410 buckshot - it really doesn't penetrate well from that weapon. (about 4.5" on ballistic gel!) Surprisingly enough it's only ~7.5in with a slug! I do also believe someone who isn't going to take much time with their handgun is better off with a wheelgun - and they would really be better off investing the time and $$$ to learn to really shoot whatever it is - we know not everyone is willing to do that though. One thing all great minds agree on! Practice/training! I didn't realize you meant .45 Colt shells! I probably didn't read close enough. |
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 29, 2011 7:21:46 GMT -5
No, it wasn't you, I was cryptic - I hear that at home at times.
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Post by evolutionsthunder on Jan 29, 2011 9:23:24 GMT -5
as far as penetration for home defense any shotgun would be better.most people live in town and some of the shells that has been listed could easily penetrate a couple walls.you never know where your kid could be or where your neighbor is sleeping next door.but thats just my opinion
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 29, 2011 12:06:38 GMT -5
The thing is any round with adequate penetration for self defense is going to punch an interior wall or 2; there doesn't seem to be a best of both worlds option out there.
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