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Vines?
Sept 21, 2010 7:37:53 GMT -5
Post by bigballer on Sept 21, 2010 7:37:53 GMT -5
I'm sure you guy's have had this in your woods as well. But was wondering if a machete would cut through the big vines? I usually cut them with a chainsaw but I'm looking at walking through a large woods and cutting them. And thought maybe a machete would cut them and it would be so much lighter than my chainsaw...  What do you guy's think? BB |
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Vines?
Sept 21, 2010 8:15:30 GMT -5
Post by drs on Sept 21, 2010 8:15:30 GMT -5
Those big vines are wild grapes. You can control them by cutting them close to the ground in late February; then drill a 1/4" hole in the center of the stump and place a couple of teaspoons of full strength Round-up in the hole. This will kill them so they won't return.
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Vines?
Sept 21, 2010 9:05:02 GMT -5
Post by hornharvester on Sept 21, 2010 9:05:02 GMT -5
A good sharp bow saw works well too. h.h.
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Vines?
Sept 21, 2010 9:05:17 GMT -5
Post by bigballer on Sept 21, 2010 9:05:17 GMT -5
What I've been doing is cutting them with a chainsaw and then spraying Tordon RTU on them and that kills them as well. I was just wondering if any one had tride using something lighter to cut them with. I know the biggest one I"ve come across so far was about 5" dia. But I didn't know if a Machete would go through that.
I did screw up last year and cut the vines while cutting some trees down to open the woods up. And now the vines are growing everywhere. I didn't spray them and that was a bad move. But I learned my lesson....
BB
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Vines?
Sept 21, 2010 12:37:54 GMT -5
Post by drs on Sept 21, 2010 12:37:54 GMT -5
Try the Round-up approach as this worked fine for the vines growing in my woods. You just need to drill a hole in the center of the stump just below ground level. Place TWO teaspoons of round-up in the holes.
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Vines?
Sept 22, 2010 0:01:31 GMT -5
Post by danf on Sept 22, 2010 0:01:31 GMT -5
You'll probably have decent control if you would take chips out of the vines (like you are chopping through it) with a machete and hit it with the Tordon. Chop through what you can and treat that with the Tordon.
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Vines?
Sept 22, 2010 5:34:49 GMT -5
Post by throbak on Sept 22, 2010 5:34:49 GMT -5
use tordon or pathfinder 2 don't cut the vines have a tendency to bleed real bad which reduces the control READ THE LABEL
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Vines?
Sept 22, 2010 5:40:02 GMT -5
Post by bigballer on Sept 22, 2010 5:40:02 GMT -5
guess i've never read the label... I just know what it's for so I would cut the vines then spray the vine. Was basically told to do this by a forester and a land managment person. That's how he does it. Also how do you know if you killed the vine if you just drill a hole in it and pour the other stuff in the hole? Just wondering? Thanks BB |
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Vines?
Sept 22, 2010 6:27:59 GMT -5
Post by drs on Sept 22, 2010 6:27:59 GMT -5
guess i've never read the label... I just know what it's for so I would cut the vines then spray the vine. Was basically told to do this by a forester and a land managment person. That's how he does it. Also how do you know if you killed the vine if you just drill a hole in it and pour the other stuff in the hole? Just wondering? Thanks BB I used this method of cutting large vines to ground level & drilling a 1/4" hole (or larger) depending on diameter of the stump & below ground level. Pour in two or more teaspoons of FULL Strength Round-up, but do this just before they start growing. The vine will draw up water and mix with the Round-up which will kll off the vine. I've done this seveal times and it has worked fine for me. |
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Vines?
Sept 22, 2010 6:37:19 GMT -5
Post by bigballer on Sept 22, 2010 6:37:19 GMT -5
The only problem I have with this method of pouring in a couple table spoons is that I am planning to do a woods that's more than 100 acres and doing it that way will take forever... LOL....... I had planned to take a chainsaw in and cut them and then spray like before but was just wondering if using something smaller than a chainsaw (and lighter) would work.
BB
Thanks for the info though.
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Vines?
Sept 22, 2010 8:20:31 GMT -5
Post by dadfsr on Sept 22, 2010 8:20:31 GMT -5
BB- Take a look at this: www.forestry-suppliers.com/product_pages/View_Catalog_Page.asp?mi=6348#Knowing what that looks like and the price on it ( but it works really good!! ;D ), one of the places I used to work at just sent us out with regular sharp hatchets and a spray bottle of Tordon. Make a couple of cuts on either side (maybe more if it's bigger) and spray a squirt or two of Tordon in each cut. We killed a bunch of undesirable trees/brush with this application process. The other problem I always have when someone says to use Roundup for this is that Roundup is NOT listed for basal applications....it is strictly for foliar applications!!! As a licensed applicator I HAVE to advise you of this and have to follow the labeled applications. The label is on there for a reason-read it and keep yourself out of trouble-physically, financially and for your health!! Here is another link for all the facts on tree herbicides: forestry.about.com/b/2010/05/21/herbicides-used-to-kill-trees.htmTordon would be my chemical weapon of choice for basal applications-it's fairly accessible and not too expensive. The only concern that you would have to watch is that it does sometimes translocate through root systems into other plants so if you are doing a lot of heavy applications in a concentrated area then be prepared for some dieback of adjacent desirable species, but that can easily be remedied by limiting the application in heavy areas to 1/2 to 1/3 of the unwanted plants and attacking over a 2 to 3 year cycle. Hope this helps! |
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Vines?
Sept 22, 2010 8:51:59 GMT -5
Post by drs on Sept 22, 2010 8:51:59 GMT -5
The only problem I have with this method of pouring in a couple table spoons is that I am planning to do a woods that's more than 100 acres and doing it that way will take forever... LOL....... I had planned to take a chainsaw in and cut them and then spray like before but was just wondering if using something smaller than a chainsaw (and lighter) would work. BB Thanks for the info though. 100 acres! I was just thinking that you had a small area, like I had, when I lived in Northern Vanderburgh Co., with the unwanted vines. YES, I would find a better method for your 100 acres. "dadfsr" has a post you might want to consider. |
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Vines?
Sept 22, 2010 14:18:20 GMT -5
Post by DEERTRACKS on Sept 22, 2010 14:18:20 GMT -5
I carry a hand saw, hand pruners, loppers, & a spray bottle of Tordon or Garlon to treat em when I cut em.
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Vines?
Sept 22, 2010 23:19:58 GMT -5
Post by danf on Sept 22, 2010 23:19:58 GMT -5
Roundup is NOT listed for basal applications....it is strictly for foliar applications!!! You been flying that desk so long you haven't read any labels recently?  Consider yourself corrected: www.afpmb.org/pubs/standardlists/labels/6840-01-108-9578_label_roundup_pro.pdfLook at section 8.1 on page 4 of the label. It's possible that not all glyphosate concentrates are labeled for stump treatment, but I'd hazard a guess that more than that one is since it's the first label I could find that I could link. I've used straight glyphosate as stump treatments, but usually only when I didn't have any Tordon handy. |
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Vines?
Sept 23, 2010 11:07:46 GMT -5
Post by dadfsr on Sept 23, 2010 11:07:46 GMT -5
Roundup is NOT listed for basal applications....it is strictly for foliar applications!!! You been flying that desk so long you haven't read any labels recently? Consider yourself corrected: www.afpmb.org/pubs/standardlists/labels/6840-01-108-9578_label_roundup_pro.pdfLook at section 8.1 on page 4 of the label. It's possible that not all glyphosate concentrates are labeled for stump treatment, but I'd hazard a guess that more than that one is since it's the first label I could find that I could link. I've used straight glyphosate as stump treatments, but usually only when I didn't have any Tordon handy. OK it has been awhile since I read a glyphosate label! Just haven't felt the need lately....what is the old saying "familarity breeds complacency" or something like that  |
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Vines?
Feb 5, 2011 13:28:09 GMT -5
Post by indianaforester on Feb 5, 2011 13:28:09 GMT -5
I kill thousands of grapevines every year. I use a small chainsaw and a 3 gal backpack sprayer with Pathway. Cut the vines and spray the stump. Make a second high cut on the hanging vine so you know that you cut it on your next pass through the woods.
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Vines?
Feb 14, 2011 10:56:58 GMT -5
Post by hunter7x on Feb 14, 2011 10:56:58 GMT -5
I chop w a hand ax and dont treat with any chemicals. some come back but most don't. I'd say 90% are DRT. I don't think they can live very well with the amount of shade laying on the ground instead of high in the trees. and the deer browse on the leaves big time with they are green.
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Vines?
Mar 3, 2011 20:49:15 GMT -5
Post by kevin1 on Mar 3, 2011 20:49:15 GMT -5
Craft supply people buy wild grapevine by the pound, something to consider. |
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Mar 4, 2011 11:27:44 GMT -5
Post by whiteoak on Mar 4, 2011 11:27:44 GMT -5
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Vines?
Mar 4, 2011 16:16:38 GMT -5
Post by dadfsr on Mar 4, 2011 16:16:38 GMT -5
I understand why you like this type of saw Whiteoak, I have one myself, however I would NOT urge the average "Joe Blow" homeowner to get one of these!!! Unless you are very schooled in chainsaw use, have many hours behind one and are very safety conscience using this type of top handled saw can be very dangerous!!!  |
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What do you guy's think?
