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Post by zukjay on Oct 5, 2010 10:34:10 GMT -5
I didnt think that caliber was aloud here in Indiana. I thought we could only shoot pistol cartridges from a rifle. I learn something new every day!
Nice rifle!
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Post by hp on Oct 5, 2010 13:44:47 GMT -5
Strange that you would take a shot you don't want to take. Makes no sense to me. After all, nobody is twisting your arm. I only take shots I want to take. I'm guessing if any hunter shoots at a deer, he/she wanted to. If you feel you "had to" take a long shot, maybe that needs rethinking. I will not shoot at deer with a gun beyond 125 yards or so. If I see a good buck at 150, do I want to shoot him? Yes. Will I shoot at him? No. The way I hunt, the advantage of a rifle is the ability to hit a baseball size target out to around 100 yds. I have more confidence in a rifle than I do with my slug gun or ML. I don't need a deer to be in the open to shoot at him, I only need a small opening to "thread the needle". A rifle is a better tool for this. There are shooters with more ability that I possess, and I can't say that a 400 yd shot is unethical for everyone. However, it is inarguable that ALL shooters will have greater success when shooting at closer ranges as compared to longer ranges. Where to draw the line is up to the individual. For me, it's about 125 yds. Hold on a minute!!! Are you even thinking about or reading ur post before you submit? "I only take shots i want to take" HMM "If i see a good buck at 150, Do i want to shot him? Yes" "will I, No. hahahaha Look at the mans signature, Those are scores fellas!! not distances.. shoot that buck at 400 Fullrut!!!
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Post by swilk on Oct 6, 2010 10:02:16 GMT -5
My equipment is capable.
I am not.
I think once you start putting every bullet into an 8" circle at 400 yards .... under what I would call hunting conditions ..... you are in a category I cannot reach (at least not without dedicating my life to it which I am not willing to do).
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 6, 2010 10:22:44 GMT -5
Wanting to shoot a buck, and wanting to shoot past your effective range are two different things. Seems like a blatantly obvious distinction to me. Perhaps if I study my future posts more carefully, we can avoid such terrible misunderstandings.
I shoot very little at the range. I'm a pretty good shot, and expect to see 1-2" groups at 50 yds with my slug gun and muzzleloader. I shoot so little at 100 yds that I don't feel comfortable stretching past 125. I have my limit. Others have theirs. I know I'd feel like crap if I wounded and lost an animal because I "had to" take a long shot.
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Post by hp on Oct 6, 2010 17:54:45 GMT -5
Wanting to shoot a buck, and wanting to shoot past your effective range are two different things. Seems like a blatantly obvious distinction to me. Perhaps if I study my future posts more carefully, we can avoid such terrible misunderstandings. I shoot very little at the range. I'm a pretty good shot, and expect to see 1-2" groups at 50 yds with my slug gun and muzzleloader. I shoot so little at 100 yds that I don't feel comfortable stretching past 125. I have my limit. Others have theirs. I know I'd feel like crap if I wounded and lost an animal because I "had to" take a long shot. Ur the one second guessing the mans effective range, sounds like he knows what HIS range is.
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Post by steiny on Oct 6, 2010 19:42:10 GMT -5
No offense intended, but I find Hoosier hunters to be largely uneducated on the true capabilities of good centerfire rifles and optics. 300 to 400 Yard shots are no sweat with a decent rig and a capable marksman with steady rest.
Not bragging, but I have shot elk, muleys, pronhorn and moose at these ranges without any difficulty. I just have good equipment, a laser range finder, and have shot enough to know where it hits at those ranges. Have also seen others make numerous shots like this. It aint that tough.
Now ...... most folks won't go to the expense or effort to put together what I would consider "good equipment". You aint gonna make those shots with cheap optics on an off the shelf cheap rifle with an 8# factory trigger. All of my rifles have trigger jobs, are floated and bedded, wear Leupold optics, and I've figured out a load they like.
If you really want to see some good shooting and good shooters, spend some time hunting in the west where centerfire rifles and long shots are the norm.
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Post by huxbux on Oct 6, 2010 21:49:56 GMT -5
My intentions werent meant to cut anyone down at all, it was just from a physics standpoint. i read someone saying hitting a deer at 400 yards with your rifle was next to impossible (out of context not verbatim) with a 21" drop. just trying to explain some science behind it is all. im in the army, so as an nco i get down with our soldiers at shooting ranges every 3-6 months, and zero them at 300m. i know its possible for even the least experienced person to hit targets beyond that with the 4 fundamentals, steady position, trigger squeeze, breathing, and sight alignment. however given hunting scenarios, with wooded areas, etc. far shots like that are almost impossible. to anyone who got the wrong idea from that, apologies. good luck this year! Uh, I think you need to reread my post. You obviously read only those parts you wished to, ignored the rest, and in the process, missed my point entirely. For the third and LAST time..... It is IMPOSSIBLE to execute a dead-on hold anywhere from 0-300 yds when shooting a deer with a bullet that has a 21" drop within that range. Reading comprehension is fundamental .
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 7, 2010 0:22:03 GMT -5
"A man has to know his limitations", Dirty Harry..
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 7, 2010 4:36:15 GMT -5
True with some of the handguns around as well (TC's XP's).
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Post by steiny on Oct 10, 2010 16:03:42 GMT -5
I'd like to see a 400 yard handgun shot.
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Post by steve46511 on Oct 10, 2010 19:16:59 GMT -5
Man........you dont want to challenge dbd870 on that one my friend. ;D ;D
400 yards, for someone who has practiced anything close, is kind of a no brainer with the SPs that are out there now.
8 inch groups (or very close, going by memory) were shot by 15 yr old young people at the MOA shoot this year.....at 1000 yards. With specialty pistols.
Half hoping my MOA dont sell, half hoping it does......kinda gotta, certainly dont want to but 1/2 inch groups with a MOA specialty pistol is considered normal and half that accomplished by good reloaders with some work.
Like an excellent match rifle......that's what they were built for.
Zeroed at 200 yards (2 inches high at 100) the stats on my 6.5x284 give a 24 inch drop and 11 inch wind drift (10mph wind) at 400 with 1251 ft-lbs of energy remaining.
If you look at the balistics chart I posted on this thread previously, this round has more than that in energy. My point THERE was the drop involved being more (but calcuable) than posted......BUT the round certainly WILL whack one there and beyond.
Through my 18x scope, 24 inches isnt difficult to know where to hold but most shooting past that are "dialing" their drop in MOA drop calculations on the scope itself.
Ive no doubt at all that the rifle in question, if grouping well, would git er done quite well. I had never really ran the numbers on that round before and for IN? it looks like a DOOZY to me.
FEW of us have many shots past 150 yards in my neck of the woods and WAY less have any over 300.....unless SET UP FOR it (yeah, some do that).
Practice and a GOOD rest are mandatory for such shots but when others shoot 3-4 times that far successfully.....400 yards is quite doable. MY biggest worry, as stated earlier, is how the BULLET performs at slower speeds, not energy.
JUST my opinon, .........like always.
God Bless
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Post by fullrut on Oct 25, 2010 19:17:17 GMT -5
Just had a chance to sight this gun in. This is a group at 100yds. I have it set at 2+"high at 100. Can't wait to shoot a deer with it.
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Post by HuntMeister on Oct 25, 2010 19:24:42 GMT -5
looks like a happy group...how bout posting up 200 and 300 yard groups to see how it does?
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Post by oldhoyt on Oct 26, 2010 6:12:26 GMT -5
Nice shootin'.
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Post by huxbux on Oct 26, 2010 6:28:39 GMT -5
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Post by swilk on Oct 26, 2010 7:17:27 GMT -5
A 3 shot group out of my .358 encore. I shot a bit tighter group out of my M70 in .358 Still wouldnt shoot 400 yards with it.
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Post by HuntMeister on Oct 26, 2010 8:17:54 GMT -5
Nice group swilk, is that 100yds?
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Post by swilk on Oct 26, 2010 8:35:03 GMT -5
Yes. From a leadsled on a plastic table.
If I shoot a better group than that (and I have a few times) it is pure luck. That is about as good as I can shoot with a hunting rig wearing a 9x scope.
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Post by drs on Oct 26, 2010 9:21:17 GMT -5
Gota tell you Swilk, that is one neat little cartridge!
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Post by fullrut on Oct 26, 2010 15:16:22 GMT -5
10 shot groups at $2.75 a round? WO! I think I got it good enough. Thats plenty good enough for me. I am not out to set records from a bench, not that I could do it anyway, but all I need to do is hit the lungs of a deer. Gotta have respect for these awesome paper punchers but lets see how they do when a Booner steps in front of them.
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