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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 14, 2010 13:19:42 GMT -5
I got this in an email… Then I got another email that said this had been around awhile and it was not Chinese ammo, but an overloaded reload.. Anyone know? The original email.. Watch buying anything from China including bright shiny mis-sized ammunition. A guy came into the PD the other day to ask a favor. He had a S&W 629 (44 Mag.) that he wanted to dispose of after a mishap at the range. He said there was a loud bang when he tested his new ammo, (Chinese made), and the gun smacked him in the forehead, leaving a nice gash. When the tweety birds cleared, this is what he saw ... Bet he never uses Chinese made Ammo again!     |
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Post by Decatur on Aug 14, 2010 14:59:08 GMT -5
I highly doubt it was "mis-sized" ammo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2010 15:05:13 GMT -5
Me neither.....I've seen 41 mags shot in a Super Blackhawk without mishap.
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Post by hornharvester on Aug 14, 2010 15:33:38 GMT -5
I'd say that those cases are reloads because the bullets are XTP's. I doubt Hornady would send them to China and then be sent back. I know of no Chinese bullet maker that uses XTP's. Most likely whoever reloaded these rounds used too much of the wrong powder. h.h.
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Post by parson on Aug 14, 2010 15:40:44 GMT -5
I saw these pics on another site. The story there was that they were reloads.
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 14, 2010 17:51:43 GMT -5
Typical overcharge on a revolver - the top 3 cylinders & top strap are blown - seems to happens that way.
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Post by danf on Aug 15, 2010 9:27:46 GMT -5
I know that was posted on Specialty Pistols a long time ago, but I can't find the thread. It's definitely a double charge of powder though.
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Post by stevein on Aug 15, 2010 11:33:42 GMT -5
Can you even double load a .44 and still seat the bullet? I agree with the wrong powder like Bullseye or something similar. I wonder even with an overload with the correct powder it would not result in that much damage.
I would be dropping it off at an attorney's office if it were factory ammo.
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Post by Decatur on Aug 15, 2010 11:50:12 GMT -5
It depends on the powder and charge as to whether it could be "double" charged. It is quite possible.
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Post by drs on Aug 15, 2010 11:56:20 GMT -5
I'd say that those cases are reloads because the bullets are XTP's. I doubt Hornady would send them to China and then be sent back. I know of no Chinese bullet maker that uses XTP's. Most likely whoever reloaded these rounds used too much of the wrong powder. h.h. I agree h.h. Looks like a classic case of careless reloading. |
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Post by parson on Aug 15, 2010 12:10:06 GMT -5
Whenever I hear guys talk about watching TV, or drinking while reloading, I have to shake my head! Maybe they oughta put one of these pics on every bottle of powder.
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Post by danf on Aug 15, 2010 12:45:28 GMT -5
Can you even double load a .44 and still seat the bullet? I will back off the absoluteness of my prior statement of "definitely a double charge". It very well could have been the wrong powder, the brass could have been weak or cracked or possibly the wrong primer was used (i.e.- large rifle magnum!). I suppose there could have been an obstruction in the forcing cone as well. Regardless of the reason, it's obvious that there was a severe amount of pressure that found it's way outward through the cylinder and topstrap. |
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Post by chicobrownbear on Aug 15, 2010 16:45:34 GMT -5
Whenever I hear guys talk about watching TV, or drinking while reloading, I have to shake my head! Maybe they oughta put one of these pics on every bottle of powder. I know. I would also add the "Well, the reloading manuals all say X for this particular round, but you can push it up to Y" Stupid games, stupid prizes. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2010 8:17:26 GMT -5
I can't figure out how more than one cylinder exploded.....may be staged? Can't imagine what could cause more than the one being fired that would do this?  |
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Post by parson on Aug 16, 2010 10:06:55 GMT -5
I kinda lean toward barrel obstruction. Looks like all the energy went sideways and up. I've had squib loads. Not a fan of rapid fire, especially with reloads.
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Post by danf on Aug 16, 2010 19:08:01 GMT -5
I can't figure out how more than one cylinder exploded.....may be staged? Can't imagine what could cause more than the one being fired that would do this? I still can't find the thread that had these pictures in it over on Specialty Pistols, but look at this one: specialtypistols.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8826077864/m/9751059935It's the same process as if there had been an obstruction in the barrel. The gasses and pressure have to go somewhere- which means the pressure vents not only down the tube like normal but also outward. When it goes outward it causes detonation of the other two cases once those cylinders have been breached/destroyed by the explosion of the first case. |
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Post by dadfsr on Aug 16, 2010 19:44:24 GMT -5
I can't figure out how more than one cylinder exploded.....may be staged? Can't imagine what could cause more than the one being fired that would do this? I still can't find the thread that had these pictures in it over on Specialty Pistols, but look at this one: specialtypistols.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8826077864/m/9751059935It's the same process as if there had been an obstruction in the barrel. The gasses and pressure have to go somewhere- which means the pressure vents not only down the tube like normal but also outward. When it goes outward it causes detonation of the other two cases once those cylinders have been breached/destroyed by the explosion of the first case. The link you gave requires a sign-in.... |
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Post by danf on Aug 16, 2010 21:20:33 GMT -5
Ok, we'll try this...
Later on, the original poster says:
AND:
Why he mentions a 454 I'm not sure, the stamp on the frame in the pics says .44 mag. If the charge was a partial charge, the damage would have been caused by detonation of the powder rather than severe pressure. Which it was, we'll likely never know for sure. Stuff like this makes me even more careful when I'm at the reloading bench!
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Post by parson on Aug 17, 2010 15:03:37 GMT -5
Changing seating depth can be a real problem with progressives if not careful. I use a case activated Lee powder measure on my Dillon 550. If I want to adjust depth or crimp I remove the case from under the measure.
Threads like this are good reminders for all of us who roll our own.
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