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Post by huxbux on Aug 10, 2010 19:25:35 GMT -5
You guys are making me rethink my plans. I was just about ready to go and buy a Ruger 77/44. Now I'm not sure that I want to. You'll not achieve anything approaching centerfire rifle accuracy out of that cartridge. Having said that, we easily get 3 MOA out of a Ruger .44 carbine with factory loadings. Considering the fact that we're shooting a cartridge that has a 125 yd. effective range on deer, it's more than adequate for the task. I can't think of a better choice for deer in Indiana that isn't a one shot gun (MZ)
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 10, 2010 19:42:33 GMT -5
OK..
This barrel floating stuff has me wondering.
In the 2008 season it was a downpour on the opening day. I stayed pretty dry as I had on GoreTex. The Ruger 44 carbine was soaked. I got this gun form Kalifornia and I don't think it had ever seen rain. There was no wax on the stock and it lost some finish. I had Woodmaster refinish it for me.
When I started to reassemble it the barrel would not go into the stock. I did some sanding and finally squeezed it in, but it was a very tight fit.
Do I need to go in and sand some more so that the barrel isn't as tight?
TIA..
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Post by danf on Aug 10, 2010 20:54:41 GMT -5
Doesn't yours have a barrel band, Woody? If it does, I don't think you'll ever be able to float it entirely, so if you've got a tight fit you should be fine.
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Post by cedarthicket on Aug 10, 2010 21:43:49 GMT -5
I would try the rifle with the barrel tight as is, assuming it has a pretty "uniform" fit throughout the barrel channel. Years ago I had a M1895 Chilean Mauser in 7 x 57 that had a long (29 or 30 inches) skinny barrel. But, it was inside a VERY well fitted long wooden stock and hand guard. The barrel bands were also very well fitted and tightly clamped the barrel and wood almost into a "unit." It was one of the best shooting military surplus rifles I ever owned. I even shot it in some local high-power rifle matches.
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Post by drs on Aug 11, 2010 8:09:21 GMT -5
It's a pressure pad. Easiest way for the gunmakers to send out a rifle....they do not allow the best accuracy that the rifle can put out, but normally allow acceptable accuracy for hunting (3" group). Sand it out, then check the clearance to the action and it'll shoot better.....fine tune it with handloads. Thanks, Tom! I've already began the process, as you stated above. Sanded it out yesterday & will go from there. I can't understand for the life-of-me why Ruger placed a pressure point so close to the tip end of the stock. If they would have placed a presure point, using something on the same order as Acraglass Gel, midway just in back of the front stock swivel & let the barrel float elsewhere then things would be okay. I once had an H&R .17/223 rifle that was bedded that way and it was a real shooter. The pressure point should NOT be a wood "Bump".
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Post by drs on Aug 11, 2010 8:13:51 GMT -5
Most likely, if you simply free float the barrel, it'll shoot fine. First thing I always yrt with any fractory rifle. My Browning A-Bolt is fully free floating an it doesn't change POI at any time.
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Post by drs on Aug 11, 2010 8:39:21 GMT -5
I did not have to do anything to my old 77-44 and it shoots great. Sounds like my Brother's words. He bought his Ruger M-77/22 around the same time as I bought my M-77 Ultra Light .308. He keep "Ribbing" ;D me on how accurate his Ruger .22 is without doing anything to it. Well guess he's right as he can hit Golf balls @ 50 to 75 yards every time.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2010 8:52:28 GMT -5
I prefer floating over fully bedded. The action should be bedded, but in my experience, the barrel should not touch.
IF the stock swells, it's not sealed somewhere, and has to be fixed. I'd consider taking out a lot of wood and then bedding it floated.
The reason that factory guns have pressure points is because they are mass produced and normally produce decent accurcy this way.
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Post by drs on Aug 11, 2010 9:44:00 GMT -5
I prefer floating over fully bedded. The action should be bedded, but in my experience, the barrel should not touch. IF the stock swells, it's not sealed somewhere, and has to be fixed. I'd consider taking out a lot of wood and then bedding it floated. The reason that factory guns have pressure points is because they are mass produced and normally produce decent accurcy this way. I see what you mean, Tom, Thanks!
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Post by thecommissioner on Aug 11, 2010 13:11:40 GMT -5
You guys are making me rethink my plans. I was just about ready to go and buy a Ruger 77/44. Now I'm not sure that I want to. This spring I purchased a NIB Ruger 77/44 rifle. Like any new rifle, I took it out to my range for initial firing. The shots were hitting all over the paper. Never in my life had I shot so poorly with a brand new rifle. I thought, "Oh no, I just spent $540 bucks for a POS instead of PCR!" Yes, the rifle transferred a lot of energy to my shoulder upon ignition of the WWB 240 grain cartridge but I couldn't believe I was flinching that much. Filled with disgust and disappointment at wasting my hard earned dollar on a veritable scattergun, I took it home for cleaning. While wiping down the barrel, I touched the front sight. It moved. I'm like, "What is going on here???" Sure enough, I could slide the front sight back and forth in the dovetail with my fingers! No wonder the bullets were tracking like they were being thrown by a girl. Back to the store the rifle went. The dealer called Ruger who sent a new front sight. In the meantime, I purchased a Nikon Prostaff 3-9x50 scope and took the rifle back to the range. After dialing in the scope, I was placing a four shot group inside a one inch square at 75 yards. Ruger shipped a rifle that obviously didn't meet their standards. The cost to me was an extra 80 miles on the gas hog truck that I'll never recover. Lesson learned: check for loose sights on new Rugers.
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Post by M4Madness on Aug 11, 2010 17:43:38 GMT -5
You guys are making me rethink my plans. I was just about ready to go and buy a Ruger 77/44. Now I'm not sure that I want to. This spring I purchased a NIB Ruger 77/44 rifle. Like any new rifle, I took it out to my range for initial firing. My wife just bought a new Ruger 77/44, but we haven't scoped and sighted it yet. I will tell you that my suppressed 77/22 is a true tackdriver in every sense of the word -- literally shooting tacks with it at 25 yards. A big plus is that the controls are the same on both the 77/44 and 77/22, so my wife will be able to train on the .22LR.
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Post by danf on Aug 11, 2010 19:42:59 GMT -5
I can't understand for the life-of-me why Ruger placed a pressure point so close to the tip end of the stock. I've got my uncles old Remington 700 ADL in .30-06. I'm not sure when it was made, haven't looked up the serial number to be sure, but I remember him having probably close to 20 years ago. The wood stock that was on it had the same type of pressure pad in the same place. It's now wearing a synthetic stock that also has the same pad- and the synthetic stock is new production. I have yet to do any load work for the gun, but if I have issues it will be one of the first things that is changed. Point is, it's not just Ruger that's doing it.
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 12, 2010 4:54:58 GMT -5
I fought off the urge to surpress a gun once this year already - that pic didn't help at all!!!
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Post by drs on Aug 12, 2010 7:11:08 GMT -5
I've got my uncles old Remington 700 ADL in .30-06. I'm not sure when it was made, haven't looked up the serial number to be sure, but I remember him having probably close to 20 years ago. The wood stock that was on it had the same type of pressure pad in the same place. It's now wearing a synthetic stock that also has the same pad- and the synthetic stock is new production. I have yet to do any load work for the gun, but if I have issues it will be one of the first things that is changed. Point is, it's not just Ruger that's doing it. You're correct, Danf, inthat Ruger is NOT the only one doing this tip-end pressure point thing. I read once that the Remington Model 700 would respond positive by removing that pressure point and floating the barrel. I did this once on a Remington 700 ADL in .222 Rem. and my groupings shrunk to 1/2 size @ 100 yards. ALSO, several posts back, you mentioned that Ruger scope rings might be contributing to the problem. Well I am going to "lap" the rings before installing the scope. Thanks your the suggestion. I also noticed the Receiver on this Ruger is "Cast" and not "milled" like the earlier models. I was supprised about this.
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Post by huxbux on Aug 12, 2010 19:10:17 GMT -5
I fought off the urge to surpress a gun once this year already - that pic didn't help at all!!! I hear ya. I saw m4madness' 77/22 and thought....what a fantastic squirrel gun!
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 13, 2010 4:29:18 GMT -5
I fought off the urge to surpress a gun once this year already - that pic didn't help at all!!! I hear ya. I saw m4madness' 77/22 and thought....what a fantastic squirrel gun! It really looks tempting doesn't it.
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