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Post by drs on Aug 9, 2010 7:21:11 GMT -5
Earlier this past Spring; I went & bought one of the Ruger M-77 Hawkeye Ultralight rifles in .308 as I wanted a lighter rifle to carry. Well, when I got a chance to test it, I was disappointed in how it shot and noticed the trigger was way too heavy for the weight of the rifle. So I replaced the factory trigger with one by Timney, set @ 3.5 LBS. Once more I shot the Ruger & while the trigger was fine I still couldn't get any 100 yard groups smaller than 2" & this was using 150 grain loads factory & my Handloads. Everytime I got it out to shoot the POI would change. Either it shoot too high or to the right or left. So I am suspecting this might be a bedding issue so I ordered a Acraglass Gel kit from Brownells. Now I have a Ruger Model 77 MKII in .270 inwhich I had to do the same thing, but it is now an excellent shooter giving me groups of < .750" @ 100 yards, so I am hoping I will obtain similar positive results with this Ultralight rifle. Over the years; I've owned several Rugers and it seems like the ones they built back in the 1980's up to the mid 1990's are far better then the ones they are building today. The bolt handle on the Hawkeye Ultralight looks like it is made of "Pot Metal"  Also the bluing seems to be not as good as the older Rugers. The stock IMO is poorly fitted even more so than the older M-77 Models. The most accurate .308 Rifle I've owned todate is my Browning A-Bolt which I am GLAD I kept! |
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Post by Decatur on Aug 9, 2010 8:22:00 GMT -5
Sounds like you should stay away from Ruger rifles?
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Post by drs on Aug 9, 2010 8:40:38 GMT -5
Sounds like you should stay away from Ruger rifles? YEP! I think you have the right idea there. I'll just have to work on it to get it to where I am satisfied with accuracy. It's is a shame that quality & workmanship is not what it use to be.  Like someone told me that all Rugers should come with extra "adjustable" triggers as their "new" LC6 triggers, they're using now simply SUCK! All the Ruger bolt action, I've owned, I always had to do something to the bedding inorder to get them to shoot accurately. |
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Post by Decatur on Aug 9, 2010 8:51:54 GMT -5
The only Ruger rifle I own is a 10/22 International model. It shoots good, but I had to put an aftermarket trigger kit in to make it bearable, not great, but bearable.
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Post by drs on Aug 9, 2010 9:45:29 GMT -5
The only Ruger rifle I own is a 10/22 International model. It shoots good, but I had to put an aftermarket trigger kit in to make it bearable, not great, but bearable. I too had a Ruger 10/22 semi-auto which, like all their semi-auto's, it shot very poorly. Also had their Model 77/22 bolt action (first year production) and I had to bed it & replace the trigger to get it to shoot accurately. I traded it for a CZ M-452 which is a "Tack-Driver".  I've learned recently that all the Model 77/22 bolt actions made after Nov. 2009, have the barrel threaded into the action instead of attaching it with two screws. |
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Post by parson on Aug 9, 2010 11:36:14 GMT -5
Savage man here. I've had good success with Ruger handguns, but my limited experience with their long guns has not been positive.
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 9, 2010 14:25:22 GMT -5
I don't own (never have for that matter) a Ruger centerfire rifle; however I shot someone else's Laminate Hawkeye in 300WM and it was a very good shooter - I was a little surprised to tell the truth.
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Post by Decatur on Aug 9, 2010 16:46:35 GMT -5
I've never shot a Ruger CF rifle either.
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Post by danf on Aug 9, 2010 19:04:02 GMT -5
If the POI changed every time, I'd suspect the scope or mounts was bad. Did you try more than one scope on it?
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Post by huxbux on Aug 9, 2010 22:14:15 GMT -5
Something is definitely not right with it since the POI changes. A warped stock maybe?
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Post by drs on Aug 10, 2010 6:49:43 GMT -5
If the POI changed every time, I'd suspect the scope or mounts was bad. Did you try more than one scope on it? Sure did Dan, I have two Leupold scopes, I tried, which produced the same results. The scope mounts are Rugers and they are fine. I've fired three different brands of factory ammo + my own handloads which shoot excellent in my other two .308's. HOWEVER, I WILL get the issue solved. Too bad this happened as it's a nice looking rifle, but I am certain it's a bedding issue. The bore is perfect with no tooling marks as I can tell. I'lll fix her up and let everyone know how it went.  Seems like nowdays when you buy certain brand rifles, they need to be adjusted to get the desired degree of accuracy. |
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Post by drs on Aug 10, 2010 6:56:41 GMT -5
Something is definitely not right with it since the POI changes. A warped stock maybe? Don't know about a warped stock but I noticed a high spot near the tip end of the stock. When I glass bed the stock, I think this will cure this issue of POI changes. Such a light & thin barrel need full length support, IMO. OH well ~ Good Hobby. I like a good challenge. |
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Post by reloader on Aug 10, 2010 9:47:57 GMT -5
I have a Ruger m77 30.06 with lightweight stock. shot bad groups. I noticed the forarm was able to move against the barrel irregular upon holding , so I 'freefloated' enough to eliminate that possibility. Trigger is heavy ,thats next. Nosler Balistic tips with the reloads seemed to inprove things. But they hammer forge barrels, some can be good but not the best method,I wont buy another rifle unless button or cut rifleing .If you see a rifle review that states groups of more than 1.5" at 100yrd it isnt worth having.
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Post by schall53 on Aug 10, 2010 10:55:05 GMT -5
You guys are making me rethink my plans. I was just about ready to go and buy a Ruger 77/44. Now I'm not sure that I want to.
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Post by drs on Aug 10, 2010 11:17:57 GMT -5
You guys are making me rethink my plans. I was just about ready to go and buy a Ruger 77/44. Now I'm not sure that I want to. No, go ahead and buy your Ruger 77/44. I have one with a walnut stock, but like all my Ruger bolt actions, I glass bedded it. I receive .750" groups @ 75 yards 5-shots, & probably would do better if the trigger wasn't so heavy, so if you buy one you should consider replacing the factory trigger with a Timney Trigger. |
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Post by throbak on Aug 10, 2010 11:38:21 GMT -5
I have a 77-22,77-22-50,77-22 hornet would not trade any one of them for any thing else. have owned savage, stevens, rem., and win. marlin.mossburg,and an shutz I have and kept the ones I liked the best The Rugers
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Post by drs on Aug 10, 2010 12:06:40 GMT -5
I have a 77-22,77-22-50,77-22 hornet would not trade any one of them for any thing else. have owned savage, stevens, rem., and win. marlin.mossburg,and an shutz I have and kept the ones I liked the best The Rugers Glad you are having success with your Rugers. I've owned: Winchesters, Brownings, Remingtons, Savages + a few other brands. Except for the Browning A-bolt (which has a fully floating barrel) I've glass bedded the other ones. This Ruger Hawkeye Ultra Light will be my "ninth" rifle which I have glass bedded. My Brother bought a Ruger M-77/22 LR, back in May, and you can slip a $1 bill under the barrel from end to end. He has a Leupold Rimfire scope mounted on it. The trigger pull is a bit heavy, for my taste, but he can shoot it with no problem. It like Winchester Super-X Hollow Points the best. |
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Post by evolutionsthunder on Aug 10, 2010 16:13:05 GMT -5
I did not have to do anything to my old 77-44 and it shoots great.
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Earlier this past Spring; I went & bought one of the Ruger M-77 Hawkeye Ultralight rifles in .308 as I wanted a lighter rifle to carry. Well, when I got a chance to test it, I was disappointed in how it shot and noticed the trigger was way too heavy for the weight of the rifle. So I replaced the factory trigger with one by Timney, set @ 3.5 LBS. Once more I shot the Ruger & while the trigger was fine I still couldn't get any 100 yard groups smaller than 2" & this was using 150 grain loads factory & my Handloads. Everytime I got it out to shoot the POI would change. Either it shoot too high or to the right or left. So I am suspecting this might be a bedding issue so I ordered a Acraglass Gel kit from Brownells. . ! [/b][/quote] Most likely, if you simply free float the barrel, it'll shoot fine. First thing I always yrt with any fractory rifle. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2010 16:28:51 GMT -5
Something is definitely not right with it since the POI changes. A warped stock maybe? Don't know about a warped stock but I noticed a high spot near the tip end of the stock. When I glass bed the stock, I think this will cure this issue of POI changes. Such a light & thin barrel need full length support, IMO. OH well ~ Good Hobby. I like a good challenge. It's a pressure pad. Easiest way for the gunmakers to send out a rifle....they do not allow the best accuracy that the rifle can put out, but normally allow acceptable accuracy for hunting (3" group). Sand it out, then check the clearance to the action and it'll shoot better.....fine tune it with handloads. |
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Also the bluing seems to be not as good as the older Rugers. The stock IMO is poorly fitted even more so than the older M-77 Models. The most accurate .308 Rifle I've owned todate is my Browning A-Bolt which I am GLAD I kept!
Like someone told me that all Rugers should come with extra "adjustable" triggers as their "new" LC6 triggers, they're using now simply SUCK! All the Ruger bolt action, I've owned, I always had to do something to the bedding inorder to get them to shoot accurately.
I've learned recently that all the Model 77/22 bolt actions made after Nov. 2009, have the barrel threaded into the action instead of attaching it with two screws.
Seems like nowdays when you buy certain brand rifles, they need to be adjusted to get the desired degree of accuracy.
