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Post by elmo on Aug 6, 2010 23:37:11 GMT -5
Can someone tell me how I can walk up to a dead and gutted antlerless deer and know weather it was male or female?
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Post by Decatur on Aug 6, 2010 23:44:25 GMT -5
Well if the DNR were the ones interested in knowing, they have ways to find out! A lab test would prove it.
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Post by steve46511 on Aug 7, 2010 1:04:34 GMT -5
Not foolproof but the majority of whitetail bucks have a "ring" of white around the eyes. Ive seen some yearling bucks without them, but not often and am sure that all "rules" are not 100 percent accurate all the time but this has served me well should I have the time to look closely at deer before shooting them. Of course, dead, that would not change. Also, adult does and bucks MOSTLY vary in structure with bucks having heavier shoulders and the does having heavier hams........comparitively to the entire deer structure overall. Kinda tough, at least for me, when the deer is not compared to another so probably not much help but these are things I would consider. Neck size in the fall, even not in the rut, is also a tell tale sign on mature animals. The only SURE way, other than the mentioned lab help is one that's a pretty solid give-a-way that is 99 percent accurate. There would be the ever resent pedicle, where antlers will grow or were, on every buck head. All bucks would have them and should be visible at any age. While a FEW does have been taken with antlers......Ive seen only one in my lifetime.
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Post by elmo on Aug 7, 2010 11:52:27 GMT -5
Well I asked because the dnr reports anleterless and antlered deer harvest numbers. If they would take the button buck box off of the check in sheet. We would already be at the 60/40 that they want. If the hunting community wasn't as honest as it is this whole problem would be a mute point.
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Post by firstwd on Aug 7, 2010 19:50:53 GMT -5
Unless something has changed over the years, the book used to say you had to leave the sex organs on them when fielddressing them.
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Post by Decatur on Aug 7, 2010 20:40:35 GMT -5
Why would that be the case? Deer are either categorized "antlerless" or "antlered", sex is a mute point.
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Post by firstwd on Aug 8, 2010 7:27:09 GMT -5
I'll have to see if I can find some old Hunting/Trapping guides and look it up. Doesn't the check station form have a box for antlered/anterless and male/female?
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Post by Decatur on Aug 8, 2010 9:57:11 GMT -5
Not sure.
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Post by steve46511 on Aug 8, 2010 11:33:35 GMT -5
" Doesn't the check station form have a box for antlered/anterless and male/female? "
It did when I had a check station and assume that is accurate for now too simply because they want that information. IMHO it is important. A button taken this year is still a "future breeding buck" taken out of the herd and is/should be counted as a "buck" in the total count, which needs to be as accurate as possible for a "supposed" ration of does per buck. (Even if I dont buy their "estimate".........moot point and another subject but still in all the count needs to be as accurate as we can make it, otherwise WHO KNOWS what they will dream up next if facts are not FACT).
FEW check stations in this area now and honesty is important. I dont even know one that comes OUT and puts the "tie" on the deer themselves..........they hand it to the hunter and never see the deer.
Not like I did it and understand why they do that but.............just info.
God Bless.
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Post by 36fan on Aug 9, 2010 12:01:44 GMT -5
I'll have to see if I can find some old Hunting/Trapping guides and look it up. Doesn't the check station form have a box for antlered/anterless and male/female? I know it used to, but I checked the 2009-2010 copy I still have, and it states on page 8: "The deer head must remain attached to the carcass until the tag is attached and locked at the deer check station."
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Post by 36fan on Aug 9, 2010 12:09:42 GMT -5
FEW check stations in this area now and honesty is important. I dont even know one that comes OUT and puts the "tie" on the deer themselves..........they hand it to the hunter and never see the deer. I checked a deer at a place in Stilesville last year and they came out tagged it. They also wanted the transport tag, but since I had to drag the deer across a creek, the tag was wet and falling apart. They had me fill out a clean tag for them to keep. I've only been to a few check stations, but they are the only ones that asked for the transport tag or fixed the metal tag to the deer.
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Post by tenring on Aug 9, 2010 13:26:25 GMT -5
You could have kept the tag in your pocket until you reached your vehicle or pick up point. They changed that rule a good while back. Just have it attached when you are ready to transport the animal to the check station or where ever.
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Post by Decatur on Aug 9, 2010 13:26:59 GMT -5
All of the check stations are supposed to affix the transport tag to their record book that the state picks up after season. I'm surprised you never got a call from your local CO.
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Post by sleepergsx on Aug 9, 2010 19:07:47 GMT -5
Why would that be the case? Deer are either categorized "antlerless" or "antlered", sex is a mute point. so how would you tag and antlered doe if you did happen to see one? antlered or antlerless?
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Post by Decatur on Aug 9, 2010 20:05:09 GMT -5
If they don't ask for sex, it would be antlered. Just like our turkey regs say a "bearded bird" not hen or gobbler.
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Post by 36fan on Aug 9, 2010 20:15:15 GMT -5
You could have kept the tag in your pocket until you reached your vehicle or pick up point. They changed that rule a good while back. Just have it attached when you are ready to transport the animal to the check station or where ever. I didn't attach the tag until after we had him loaded in the bed of the truck, but since we had to drag it across a small creek, the body and fur was wet. Paper doesn't stay in very good shape very long when it is rubber banded to a wet deer leg. ;D
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Post by 36fan on Aug 9, 2010 20:18:29 GMT -5
All of the check stations are supposed to affix the transport tag to their record book that the state picks up after season. I'm surprised you never got a call from your local CO. Over the last two years, I've checked three deer in at the same place in Mooresville. Neither him nor his wife asked for the transport tag. They just copied my information from my license to their log book. Maybe the CO didn't call the individual hunters since none of the deer checked in there had transport tags with the book.
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Post by Decatur on Aug 9, 2010 22:53:25 GMT -5
Could be. I know at the Sportsman's Lodge in Decatur, thr owner had to make a sign saying that you had to have you temp tag, and that they wouldn't make one for you. I know our CO has gotten a hold of people that didn't have one.
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Post by tickman1961 on Aug 10, 2010 8:24:51 GMT -5
I am sure every checkstation appreciates having a bag full of bloody tags that are forward to the CO's after the season.
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Post by Decatur on Aug 10, 2010 10:14:02 GMT -5
They get stapled into the DNR's log book, so it's not a big deal to the check station.
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