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Post by thecommissioner on Jul 28, 2010 10:34:27 GMT -5
What kind of projectile is launched from a crossbow? Is it an arrow? Or is it a bullet? Could it be neither arrow nor bullet? If so, then it truly is a "third category of weapon." I'm telling you guys, the arbitrary age 64 cutoff in the proposed rule will be the undoing of it. That idiotic recommendation (compromise?) by the 'stakeholders' won't pass the ridicule test once it becomes publicized. Mine shoots arrows. First crossbow I had I cut off some old 2216 Eastons to 20" and went hunitng. 64 and over is a bone thrown to us. Not a whole lot of 64 and up still out there hunting, much less bowhunting. No, 64 and over is the rope they will hang themselves with. If there is one thing that captures the attention of the media it is one group trying to use the government to gain an advantage over another group. This is a form of 'rent seeking' and it usually backfires unless there is a compelling reason for the advantage. In this case, it's an arbitrary decision that has no research to back it up. I'm really surprised the NRC fell for the proposal. Once I return from Iraq, I just may take a leadership role on this issue and see how firm the IBA leadership is in the face of an overwhelming argument against their desire to limit the opportunities for Hoosiers to hunt with crossbows.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 28, 2010 10:41:23 GMT -5
the commissioner,
I sent you an email..
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Post by whiteoak on Jul 28, 2010 13:42:42 GMT -5
I have yet to chime in on any of this, but I have read most (if not all) posts on this forum and others concerning the proposed changes. The questions posted above by JKD are some of the best and most thought provoking questions brought up to this point. It's gonna be interesting...... I agree 1000% These questions should be placed in front of Mr. Friend and the IDNR . With no stakeholder there to advise them with made up answers. Actually I would first like to see them posted on "other Indiana hunting boards"
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Post by whiteoak on Jul 28, 2010 13:49:49 GMT -5
Those questions are irrelevant, because those pushing this could care less as it has nothing to do with any of that - regardless of what they are saying. I disagree dbd870, they are very revelant questions to those who seek the truth.
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Post by steve46511 on Jul 28, 2010 18:39:16 GMT -5
Good Stuff, JKD! I had myself wondered what happened to the rumors in 2009 about EXTENDING the season. That at least made a LITTLE sense to me by giving us more days should the weather be horrendous as it is sometimes.
While the firearm (buck) season is later and shorter......the total days to hunt with a firearm is actually more by the new proposal (2 in Oct, 9 in Nov and 8 at Xmas equal 19 versus the current 16 days) so at FIRST I thought that somehow they thought the split season was the way to go and had some kind of facts on this
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when they are proposing a shortened muzzle loader season as well.......that thought went right out the window.
I'm totally confused with their "reasoning" IF shooting more deer is the agenda.
I've said it before and I'll probably continue till they prove me wrong but I think they are just "trying something" simply because they want (or say they do) more deer shot and feel "something needs to change".
Ive simply no idea what the proposed changes would do as far as deer kill but CAN see where (as mentioned) a week of really bad weather during the shorter 9 day season could have the opposite effect that they think.
Bad thing here IMHO is that it will take a few years of such before they can ACCURATELY make any kind of assessment.......but then again, how many would we have killed if they DIDNT change the rules? No one knows. Too many factors to consider.
I DO think that even if they see a growth in the deer kill, it will never be much of a jump due to those same changing factors having an effect.
It's just hard for me to feel that less TOTAL days afield between firearm and muzzleloader season added together is going to have a positive effect but on the same note think that the 8 day late Dec antlerless hunt might have the opportunity to lesson some of the pressure during the previous November season.
If it passes, it's going to be interesting to say the least but IF more are killed is it going to be due to the SHORTER GUN SEASON.......OR.......the late antlerless season?
Excellent thread and some great replies guys!
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 28, 2010 18:48:46 GMT -5
Good Stuff, JKD! I had myself wondered what happened to the rumors in 2009 about EXTENDING the season. That at least made a LITTLE sense to me by giving us more days should the weather be horrendous as it is sometimes. While the firearm (buck) season is later and shorter......the total days to hunt with a firearm is actually more by the new proposal (2 in Oct, 9 in Nov and 8 at Xmas equal 19 versus the current 16 days) so at FIRST I thought that somehow they thought the split season was the way to go and had some kind of facts on this ! Actually your math is slipping here under the new proposals there are fewer days to hunt with a gun or ML . Combind this year there will be 32 days between the two seasons . Under the new proposal there is 2 Antlerless days in Oct. 9 in gun wich is a week later 9 in ML same start but shut off earlier as the deer herd up in force. And finaly 8 days in Dec. That is a total of only28 days VS 32 now that is not more hunting days at all it is 7 days less and broken up and at really traditionally bad times for hunting other than The Dec late season but bad timeing as most hunters will be full of family obligations at that time of the year.Of those 28 days only 18 are buck only that means that on those other 12 days you may only take an antlerless deer .Some incentive to go out and freeze your but off since most hunters have full freezers by the end of gun or ML . And lets be honest here for likely 90% of all adult hunters they will likely loose 2 days over the Thanks Giving holiday and then likely another 2 days in the late antlerless season for the holidays as well and for me I will likely loose 4 days in the late antlerless season . Let me know if this sounds about right now!
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Post by Decatur on Jul 28, 2010 18:56:15 GMT -5
And...the October antlerless season is ONLY for 4+ antlerless quota counties.
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 29, 2010 4:35:55 GMT -5
Those questions are irrelevant, because those pushing this could care less as it has nothing to do with any of that - regardless of what they are saying. I disagree dbd870, they are very revelant questions to those who seek the truth. They should be relevant but the answers don't matter; they will just ignore them and spout the "company line" They have shown their true colors. Make no mistake this is no different than the gun ban crowd. The excuse used is public safety when in fact studies show it became safer when carry laws etc. were enacted. Does that change the gun grabbers opinion or plans - not at all. Why, because the stated reason is just a smokescreen, the real reason is .gov power and control. It is no different here. Reasoning and arguing isn't going to get us anywhere - there is only one thing that will stop this; raising awareness of what is going on here so that enough hunters yell stop or I'm walking away. You hit them in the pocketbook and they will listen. Make no mistake, I am quite serious about witholding my $$$ if this is adopted unless fees are reduced by an equal (ie significant) amount for lost opportunity.
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Post by huxbux on Jul 29, 2010 7:38:15 GMT -5
![+1](https://www.ingunowners.com/images/smilies/welcome.gif) to this ^
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Post by tickman1961 on Jul 29, 2010 7:59:37 GMT -5
The elitist @ IBA can't see the forest for the trees......incredibley ignorant ideology - the all about me and my hunting BS. Crossbows have stick and string and shoot short bolts, not near as accurate as a compound at 40 yards or more. It is a true short range weapon, even more short range than a compound, and these ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v474/Woowoo1/censored.gif) s want it used during gun season?
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Post by huxbux on Jul 29, 2010 8:04:44 GMT -5
If the IBA members aren't careful, the gun hunters will partner with those who claim bow hunting is inhumane due to its high wounding rate. Where will they be then?
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