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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 23, 2010 21:23:27 GMT -5
Expanding deer seasons, Really??? This has to be a DNR press release. Why no mention of the cut back in the regular season that ends up in a net loss?
State expands hunts to trim deer population
Associated Press
An Indiana panel has given its preliminary approval to new deer-hunting rules wildlife officials say are needed to reduce the state's large deer herds.
The proposed rules endorsed Tuesday by the Indiana Natural Resources Commission include adding two new deer hunting seasons for antlerless deer. They are part of the state Department of Natural Resources' strategy to address rising problems with the state's deer herds.
The commission will hold public hearings on the rules before voting on final adoption.
DNR fish and wildlife section chief Mitch Marcus says the changes would move Indiana toward a "focused, strategically targeted deer-herd reduction" at a time of record deer-vehicles collisions and growing complaints about deer damaging crops and property.
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Post by whiteoak on Jul 23, 2010 21:54:27 GMT -5
Sounds like it's letter to the editor time.
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Post by Decatur on Jul 23, 2010 23:00:22 GMT -5
What a scam!
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Post by whiteoak on Jul 23, 2010 23:36:24 GMT -5
That report clearly shows the truth will hurt the new rule proposals. If I supported the new rule changes, and I don't, but even if I did I would be ashamed of that type of reporting.
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Post by swilk on Jul 24, 2010 4:52:25 GMT -5
Seems that perception and manipulation of what information is available is standardaction by all parties in cases such as these.
I don't like it nor do I agree with it.....but its just the way it is.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 24, 2010 6:31:39 GMT -5
Seems that perception and manipulation of what information is available is standardaction by all parties in cases such as these. I don't like it nor do I agree with it.....but its just the way it is. Really? Tell us more.. |
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Post by racktracker on Jul 24, 2010 8:02:14 GMT -5
Expanding deer seasons, Really??? This has to be a DNR press release. Why no mention of the cut back in the regular season that ends up in a net loss?State expands hunts to trim deer populationAssociated Press An Indiana panel has given its preliminary approval to new deer-hunting rules wildlife officials say are needed to reduce the state's large deer herds. The proposed rules endorsed Tuesday by the Indiana Natural Resources Commission include adding two new deer hunting seasons for antlerless deer. They are part of the state Department of Natural Resources' strategy to address rising problems with the state's deer herds. The commission will hold public hearings on the rules before voting on final adoption. DNR fish and wildlife section chief Mitch Marcus says the changes would move Indiana toward a "focused, strategically targeted deer-herd reduction" at a time of record deer-vehicles collisions and growing complaints about deer damaging crops and property. Reads like an Obama spin job. Shame on the DNR. Trying to mislead the Indiana deer hunters. I hope that backfires on them. |
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Post by schall53 on Jul 24, 2010 8:07:39 GMT -5
There are two items that noboby has touched on for the increase in doe harvest. First with the shorter gun seasons, the guys that usually only take a buck, that don't kill one during gun, will be out trying to take a doe after Christmas for the freezer. Also you will have all of the kids out of school on Christmas break in the woods. Not defending the change just pointing out a couple of ideas.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2010 8:18:35 GMT -5
Kentucky has a FREE youth hunt after Christmas and it kills very few does. A lot of adult hunters will not hunt deer then, some will be hunting small game or ducks and a lot will already have enough deer meat to last them. Plus the weather could be a factor on particapation.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 24, 2010 8:35:22 GMT -5
There are two items that noboby has touched on for the increase in doe harvest. First with the shorter gun seasons, the guys that usually only take a buck, that don't kill one during gun, will be out trying to take a doe after Christmas for the freezer. Also you will have all of the kids out of school on Christmas break in the woods. Not defending the change just pointing out a couple of ideas. Could be, but I don't think anyone has said that there shouldn't be some special antlerless seaons. TO ME - the biggest bones of contention is the moving and shortening of the gun seasons, the shortening of the MZ season and not allowing another deer management tool in the early archery season in the form of crossbows for everyone. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2010 8:42:31 GMT -5
[ Could be, but I don't think anyone has said that there shouldn't be some special antlerless seaons. TO ME - the biggest bones of contention is the moving and shortening of the gun seasons, the shortening of the MZ season and not allowing another deer management tool in the early archery season in the form of crossbows for everyone. Correctly stated.......IF they are truely concerned about a reduction in the herd, then they would have to be FOR full use of crossbow, which would give them a hefty increase in the target group - antlerless. Second, they CAN NOT produce any data that shows that moving the firearms seasons back or cutting off 44% of it will increase the harvest. They can show where states get their desired quota with less days but not one with so much change, Most states increase days afield to get more.....not aware of any that have cut theirs nearly in half. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 24, 2010 8:55:48 GMT -5
[ Could be, but I don't think anyone has said that there shouldn't be some special antlerless seaons. TO ME - the biggest bones of contention is the moving and shortening of the gun seasons, the shortening of the MZ season and not allowing another deer management tool in the early archery season in the form of crossbows for everyone. Correctly stated.......IF they are truely concerned about a reduction in the herd, then they would have to be FOR full use of crossbow, which would give them a hefty increase in the target group - antlerless. Second, they CAN NOT produce any data that shows that moving the firearms seasons back or cutting off 44% of it will increase the harvest. They can show where states get their desired quota with less days but not one with so much change, Most states increase days afield to get more.....not aware of any that have cut theirs nearly in half. One only has too look at the late season crossbow use and see that 89% of the deer taken are does. The data supplied to me from the IDNR dee biologist shows that. I'm not talking antlerless here, I'm talking does ONLY.89% does - no other group comes close to that percentage. I do not knwo what crossbowers can do any more to prove ourselves that we can help take out does in this herd reduction plan. Last year Ohio crossbowers took 49,057 deer. Why, oh why, will not the IDNR see that and say,"That is what we want too. More dead deer by any means." BTW - Ohio vertical archers also took 42,469 deer. That set an verticla archery harvest record for 11 years running. Total Ohio archery kill was 91,526. Ohio archers kill 35% of the total deer killed in thier state. In Indiana the hunting archers kill only 21% of the total kill. What is wrong with this picture? |
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Post by hornharvester on Jul 24, 2010 9:05:00 GMT -5
The picture is smudged with IBA finger prints.......h.h.
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Post by megadadof3 on Jul 24, 2010 9:12:06 GMT -5
I have the solution to reduce the doe population if we really need to. Why not give the gun (hunters) back there 16 or so days of hunting BUT make it earn-a-buck with a doe kill first, thats what they are doing to the urban zones to kill more does and that is the quickest way to reduce a doe herd that I can see, if it is really necessary state wide, go ahead, flame away, I DO NOT CARE.
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 24, 2010 9:15:51 GMT -5
WoW What a crock of BS they released for those not smart enough to read the real new proposed rules and buy into . They are not expanding anything they are reducing and shortening every general season non urban zone hunter in the state.The only gain was for those who hunt Urban zone and they gained days but were slapped with an EAB before they could kill a buck and with that the DNR proves that once again the Trophy hunters clubs in this state get what they want again since obviously a Buck is not a deer and do not cause property damage This is rediculous and they should be ashamed of themselves. We are not "STUPID" IDNR Stop treating us like we are !!!  |
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Post by parson on Jul 24, 2010 10:56:32 GMT -5
It's hard to keep up with all that is said in the various threads, so this may have been said already; but if the goal is more dead does, then add these extra seasons in addition to existing seasons.
I have to think that there are many like myself who are mainly meat hunters, but have limited opportunities to get out.
With me it not at all a matter of passing up something in hopes that a trophy might come by.
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Post by racktracker on Jul 24, 2010 20:29:42 GMT -5
It's hard to keep up with all that is said in the various threads, so this may have been said already; but if the goal is more dead does, then add these extra seasons in addition to existing seasons. I have to think that there are many like myself who are mainly meat hunters, but have limited opportunities to get out. With me it not at all a matter of passing up something in hopes that a trophy might come by. But that would be too simple..  And wouldnt grow big bucks |
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Post by Decatur on Jul 24, 2010 23:32:43 GMT -5
There was similar blurb in the Fort Wayne Journal Gazette today. My dad was reading the paper and read the headline "DNR seeks to extend deer season" (not verbatim) That set me off!  I rambled on for 15 minutes about what is really going on. My dad can no longer hunt due to his health, and never was a big deer hunter, but it angered him too. He said, "they are trying to slip these changes in under most deer hunter's radar." My dad has always been a wise man! ;d |
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I rambled on for 15 minutes about what is really going on. My dad can no longer hunt due to his health, and never was a big deer hunter, but it angered him too. He said, "they are trying to slip these changes in under most deer hunter's radar." My dad has always been a wise man! ;d