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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 21, 2010 6:41:09 GMT -5
Here is take on the Proposed Deer Rules Listed below is the proposed deer rules and in post #2 is my take and is in yellow. Suggestion - Copy and paste the rules posted in post #1 to your new post and put your take in it similar to what I did. We can get a feel for where we stand. I am still running it over in my mind how to get what the majority on this forum wants to see. Could be a poll or an email survey form. Summary of Proposed Deer Rule Changes Definitions Moves the definition of crossbow to the definitions section, instead of defining it in 312 IAC 9-3-3 Adds a definition of ground blind General Requirements and Licenses Adds the new nonresident youth deer license types Adds license requirements for the new special antlerless seasons Requires hunter orange for youth hunters during the youth special deer season and during the new antlerless only seasons; hunter orange is already required for all deer hunters during the firearms and muzzleloader seasons Requires at least 144 square inches of hunter orange material on a ground blind used while deer hunting during a season when a hunter is already required to wear hunter orange Requires the owner’s name and address on ground blinds used on department properties Hunting Equipment Allows a crossbow to be used by hunters who are at least 64 years old during the early archery season Allows a crossbow to be used during the deer firearms and muzzleloader seasons by hunters of any age Allows a hunter of any age to use a crossbow in an urban deer zone during the urban deer season. Allows a rifle cartridge to have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches instead of 1.625 inches Seasons and Bag Limits Allows youth hunters to take the number of antlerless deer allowed in each county during the special youth deer season (in addition to one antlered deer) Extends the urban deer season through January 31 of the following year Requires hunters to take at least one antlerless deer prior to taking an antlered deer in the urban deer season Expands the urban deer zones in Lake and Porter counties to all of those counties Changes the deer firearms season to start on the first Saturday before Thanksgiving and continue for only 8 additional days Shortens the deer muzzleloader season to only 9 days Adds an antlerless deer only firearms season in October (2 days only) in counties with an antlerless quota of 4 or more. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota. Adds another antlerless deer-only firearms season from December 25 through January 1 of the following year. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota. Military Reserves and National Wildlife Refuges Opens the firearms season on designated military reserves and national wildlife refuges on October 1 instead of November 1 Adds the new nonresident youth deer hunting license types THE LONG FORM...www.in.gov/nrc/files/Item_12_July_2010.pdf |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 21, 2010 6:41:38 GMT -5
My take on the Proposed Deer Rules Listed below is the proposed deer rules and my take is in yellow. Suggestion - Copy and paste the rules posted in post #1 to your new post and put your take in it similar to what I did. We can get a feel for where we stand. I am still running it over in my mind how to get what the majority on this forum wants to see. Could be a poll or an email survey form. Summary of Proposed Deer Rule Changes
DefinitionsMoves the definition of crossbow to the definitions section, instead of defining it in 312 IAC 9-3-3 No problemAdds a definition of ground blind No problemGeneral Requirements and LicensesAdds the new nonresident youth deer license types No problemAdds license requirements for the new special antlerless seasons No problem. This is the bonus tag for the OTC buyers.Requires hunter orange for youth hunters during the youth special deer season and during the new antlerless only seasons; hunter orange is already required for all deer hunters during the firearms and muzzleloader seasons No problemRequires at least 144 square inches of hunter orange material on a ground blind used while deer hunting during a season when a hunter is already required to wear hunter orange No problemRequires the owner’s name and address on ground blinds used on department properties No problemHunting EquipmentAllows a crossbow to be used by hunters who are at least 64 years old during the early archery season Not enough. Data from staes that keep track of age records shows plainly that bowhunters start dropping out at around age 50 to 55. just saying 64 and over will not get these drop out back in the game.Allows a crossbow to be used during the deer firearms and muzzleloader seasons by hunters of any age Basically they threw us a bone. This is where the bowhunting groups would like to see us put and stay. Not very many vertical bowhunters hunt with a bow during the firearm seasons. Not sure why the DNR would think it would be any different for crossbowers. Allows a hunter of any age to use a crossbow in an urban deer zone during the urban deer season. Good, but a better proposal would be to let hunters of any age use crossbows state wide. There is absolutely no good reason not to. The DNR wants to kill deer but doesn’t want to upset the bowhunting groups.Allows a rifle cartridge to have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches instead of 1.625 inches No problemSeasons and Bag LimitsAllows youth hunters to take the number of antlerless deer allowed in each county during the special youth deer season (in addition to one antlered deer) GREAT!Extends the urban deer season through January 31 of the following year No problem, but I do have to ask a question. The IDNR says that they “may” get a higher number of deer killed if they decrease he gun season and on the other and they are extending the UDZ archery season to kill more deer. Somehow that does not compute with me.Requires hunters to take at least one antlerless deer prior to taking an antlered deer in the urban deer season No problem, but I think a lot of “phantom does” will be getting checked in. It will look good on paper though. Expands the urban deer zones in Lake and Porter counties to all of those counties. Don’t know. I do not hunt these counties. I’ll trust Chad in this one. Not sure why this is even a NRC deer proposal at all. They up the number of bonus and UDZ counties all the time just by doing it. Changes the deer firearms season to start on the first Saturday before Thanksgiving and continue for only 8 additional days. Disagree whole heartedly. Data shows that this is not beneficial to increasing the kill. In fact it goes backwards. Want to kill more deer? Hunt them when they (bucks and does) are most active. The rut time is when we see a spike in deer and vehicle accidents and the DNR is waiting a week before killing deer? Not too sure how the legislature will take to that one. Shortens the deer muzzleloader season to only 9 days Total mistake. The muzzleloader hunters are doing their job in taking 80% antlerless deer in their season. they should be rewarded with more hunt time, not less.Adds an antlerless deer only firearms season in October (2 days only) in counties with an antlerless quota of 4 or more. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota. I really do not care for guns being in October, but I also realize that we need to kill more deer in certain locations. I fell that this is not enough. Inclement weather on that weekend could negate the whole thing. I think a better choice would be to have two different weekends back to back. These would run the weekends after the youth weekend. Not a lot of us hunt the early part of the bow season to begin with so by the time we do get into the woods it will have all settled back down. I do look for a drop in early seasons archery kills from this. Adds another antlerless deer-only firearms season from December 25 through January 1 of the following year. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota. No problem. I don’t see a whole lot of hunters going out Christmas day or New Year’s Day, but it is available to those die hards that want to . Maybe a single guy or two will be out.  Military Reserves and National Wildlife RefugesOpens the firearms season on designated military reserves and national wildlife refuges on October 1 instead of November 1 No problemAdds the new nonresident youth deer hunting license types No problem. I would support that they would make the non-resident bonus tags the same price as residents. |
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Post by swilk on Jul 21, 2010 8:42:59 GMT -5
My take on the Proposed Deer Rules Listed below is the proposed deer rules and my take is in yellow. Suggestion - Copy and paste the rules posted in post #1 to your new post and put your take in it similar to what I did. We can get a feel for where we stand. I am still running it over in my mind how to get what the majority on this forum wants to see. Could be a poll or an email survey form. Summary of Proposed Deer Rule Changes
DefinitionsMoves the definition of crossbow to the definitions section, instead of defining it in 312 IAC 9-3-3 No problemAdds a definition of ground blind No problemGeneral Requirements and LicensesAdds the new nonresident youth deer license types No problemAdds license requirements for the new special antlerless seasons No problem.Requires hunter orange for youth hunters during the youth special deer season and during the new antlerless only seasons; hunter orange is already required for all deer hunters during the firearms and muzzleloader seasons No problemRequires at least 144 square inches of hunter orange material on a ground blind used while deer hunting during a season when a hunter is already required to wear hunter orange No problemRequires the owner’s name and address on ground blinds used on department properties No problemHunting EquipmentAllows a crossbow to be used by hunters who are at least 64 years old during the early archery season No problemAllows a crossbow to be used during the deer firearms and muzzleloader seasons by hunters of any age No problem. Allows a hunter of any age to use a crossbow in an urban deer zone during the urban deer season. DisagreeAllows a rifle cartridge to have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches instead of 1.625 inches DisagreeSeasons and Bag LimitsAllows youth hunters to take the number of antlerless deer allowed in each county during the special youth deer season (in addition to one antlered deer) No problemExtends the urban deer season through January 31 of the following year No problemRequires hunters to take at least one antlerless deer prior to taking an antlered deer in the urban deer season No problem. Expands the urban deer zones in Lake and Porter counties to all of those counties. No problem Changes the deer firearms season to start on the first Saturday before Thanksgiving and continue for only 8 additional days. No problem Shortens the deer muzzleloader season to only 9 days No problemAdds an antlerless deer only firearms season in October (2 days only) in counties with an antlerless quota of 4 or more. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota. Disagree. Put it in September the week before youth season. Adds another antlerless deer-only firearms season from December 25 through January 1 of the following year. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota. No problemMilitary Reserves and National Wildlife RefugesOpens the firearms season on designated military reserves and national wildlife refuges on October 1 instead of November 1 No problemAdds the new nonresident youth deer hunting license types No problem. |
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Post by Decatur on Jul 21, 2010 9:06:09 GMT -5
My take on the Proposed Deer Rules DefinitionsMoves the definition of crossbow to the definitions section, instead of defining it in 312 IAC 9-3-3 NPAdds a definition of ground blind NPGeneral Requirements and LicensesAdds the new nonresident youth deer license types NPAdds license requirements for the new special antlerless seasons NPRequires hunter orange for youth hunters during the youth special deer season and during the new antlerless only seasons; hunter orange is already required for all deer hunters during the firearms and muzzleloader seasons NPRequires at least 144 square inches of hunter orange material on a ground blind used while deer hunting during a season when a hunter is already required to wear hunter orange NPRequires the owner’s name and address on ground blinds used on department properties NPHunting EquipmentAllows a crossbow to be used by hunters who are at least 64 years old during the early archery season Why not everyone? This is the DNR trying to walk the fence.Allows a crossbow to be used during the deer firearms and muzzleloader seasons by hunters of any age How many people are going to choose crossbows over firearms? Three maybe? This is another walking the fence stategy.Allows a hunter of any age to use a crossbow in an urban deer zone during the urban deer season. Again, walking the fence. Why is the crossbow ok in the UZ, but not anywhere else?Allows a rifle cartridge to have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches instead of 1.625 inches I like this one.Seasons and Bag LimitsAllows youth hunters to take the number of antlerless deer allowed in each county during the special youth deer season (in addition to one antlered deer) NPExtends the urban deer season through January 31 of the following year Makes sense to me, unless you prescribe to the DNR's position of less days equals higher harvest, then this makes absolutelt no sense!Requires hunters to take at least one antlerless deer prior to taking an antlered deer in the urban deer season Very good! The goal in the UZ is lower the deer population in those areas. However, since does don't have many distinguishing characteristics, I can see multiple hunters taking turns checking in the same doe.Expands the urban deer zones in Lake and Porter counties to all of those counties NPChanges the deer firearms season to start on the first Saturday before Thanksgiving and continue for only 8 additional days Could not disagree more! As data on this site has shown, the earlier the start date, the more deer, especially antlerless, are killed. Also, I refuse to believe that taking away days afield will result in a higher harvest number.Shortens the deer muzzleloader season to only 9 days I refuse to believe that taking away days afield will result in a higher harvest number. These are the guys and gals that are killing does. Why take days away from us/them if a higher antlerless kill is desired?Adds an antlerless deer only firearms season in October (2 days only) in counties with an antlerless quota of 4 or more. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota. NP, but it should be two weekends.Adds another antlerless deer-only firearms season from December 25 through January 1 of the following year. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota. NP, I dont think a lot of people will take advantage of this, I also am not clear if this hunt has to be in a 4 quota county or if it's everywhere.Military Reserves and National Wildlife RefugesOpens the firearms season on designated military reserves and national wildlife refuges on October 1 instead of November 1 NPAdds the new nonresident youth deer hunting license types NP |
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jul 21, 2010 9:30:46 GMT -5
I can live with all of it "EXCEPT" the proposed changes to the firearms & ml dates. As an avid bowhunter I too enjoy the serenity of the early archery season leading into the chasing phase of the pre-rut, BUT I also throughy enjoy the additional opportunities provided by our current firearms season as the 1st rut peaks to make-up for marginal passed shots with my bow. It's a heck of lot easier to fill a tag with a firearm than a bow hands down! I'm at about 50%-50% on filled tags with bow & gun.
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Post by HuntMeister on Jul 21, 2010 9:32:26 GMT -5
Woody, at this time I am basically in total agreement with your responses as you have layed them out here. Over time I may refine my thoughts on these as I think them out more but i doubt I will make a drastic change in position. Hope its OK to copy & paste to keep it simple?
Summary of Proposed Deer Rule Changes
Definitions
Moves the definition of crossbow to the definitions section, instead of defining it in 312 IAC 9-3-3
No problem
Adds a definition of ground blind
No problem
General Requirements and Licenses
Adds the new nonresident youth deer license types
No problem
Adds license requirements for the new special antlerless seasons
No problem. This is the bonus tag for the OTC buyers.
Requires hunter orange for youth hunters during the youth special deer season and during the new antlerless only seasons; hunter orange is already required for all deer hunters during the firearms and muzzleloader seasons
No problem
Requires at least 144 square inches of hunter orange material on a ground blind used while deer hunting during a season when a hunter is already required to wear hunter orange
No problem
Requires the owner’s name and address on ground blinds used on department properties
No problem
Hunting Equipment
Allows a crossbow to be used by hunters who are at least 64 years old during the early archery season
Not enough. Data from staes that keep track of age records shows plainly that bowhunters start dropping out at around age 50 to 55. just saying 64 and over will not get these drop out back in the game.
Allows a crossbow to be used during the deer firearms and muzzleloader seasons by hunters of any age
Basically they threw us a bone. This is where the bowhunting groups would like to see us put and stay. Not very many vertical bowhunters hunt with a bow during the firearm seasons. Not sure why the DNR would think it would be any different for crossbowers.
Allows a hunter of any age to use a crossbow in an urban deer zone during the urban deer season.
Good, but a better proposal would be to let hunters of any age use crossbows state wide. There is absolutely no good reason not to. The DNR wants to kill deer but doesn’t want to upset the bowhunting groups.
Allows a rifle cartridge to have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches instead of 1.625 inches
No problem.
I would actually like to see this restriction relaxed a bit so some calibers like 30-30, 35 REM, 45-70 could be utilized.
Seasons and Bag Limits
Allows youth hunters to take the number of antlerless deer allowed in each county during the special youth deer season (in addition to one antlered deer)
GREAT!
Extends the urban deer season through January 31 of the following year
No problem, but I do have to ask a question. The IDNR says that they “may” get a higher number of deer killed if they decrease he gun season and on the other and they are extending the UDZ archery season to kill more deer. Somehow that does not compute with me.
Requires hunters to take at least one antlerless deer prior to taking an antlered deer in the urban deer season
No problem, but I think a lot of “phantom does” will be getting checked in. It will look good on paper though.
Expands the urban deer zones in Lake and Porter counties to all of those counties.
Don’t know. I do not hunt these counties. I’ll trust Chad in this one. Not sure why this is even a NRC deer proposal at all. They up the number of bonus and UDZ counties all the time just by doing it.
Changes the deer firearms season to start on the first Saturday before Thanksgiving and continue for only 8 additional days.
Disagree whole heartedly. Data shows that this is not beneficial to increasing the kill. In fact it goes backwards. Want to kill more deer? Hunt them when they (bucks and does) are most active. The rut time is when we see a spike in deer and vehicle accidents and the DNR is waiting a week before killing deer? Not too sure how the legislature will take to that one.
Shortens the deer muzzleloader season to only 9 days
Total mistake. The muzzleloader hunters are doing their job in taking 80% antlerless deer in their season. they should be rewarded with more hunt time, not less.
Adds an antlerless deer only firearms season in October (2 days only) in counties with an antlerless quota of 4 or more. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota.
I really do not care for guns being in October, but I also realize that we need to kill more deer in certain locations. I fell that this is not enough. Inclement weather on that weekend could negate the whole thing. I think a better choice would be to have two different weekends back to back. These would run the weekends after the youth weekend. Not a lot of us hunt the early part of the bow season to begin with so by the time we do get into the woods it will have all settled back down. I do look for a drop in early seasons archery kills from this.
Adds another antlerless deer-only firearms season from December 25 through January 1 of the following year. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota.
No problem. I don’t see a whole lot of hunters going out Christmas day or New Year’s Day, but it is available to those die hards that want to . Maybe a single guy or two will be out.
Military Reserves and National Wildlife Refuges
Opens the firearms season on designated military reserves and national wildlife refuges on October 1 instead of November 1
No problem
Adds the new nonresident youth deer hunting license types
No problem. I would support that they would make the non-resident bonus tags the same price as residents.
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Post by tenring on Jul 21, 2010 9:37:27 GMT -5
"Adds an antlerless deer only firearms season in October (2 days only) in counties with an antlerless quota of 4 or more. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota. "
How about a 9 day season, there won't be that many out there for that anyway?
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 21, 2010 10:01:58 GMT -5
Guys and Gals,
If you do not want to do the "copy and paste" thingy just make whatever comments that you want.
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 21, 2010 10:06:07 GMT -5
Summary of Proposed Deer Rule Changes
Definitions
Moves the definition of crossbow to the definitions section, instead of defining it in 312 IAC 9-3-3
No problem
Adds a definition of ground blind
No problem
General Requirements and Licenses
Adds the new nonresident youth deer license types
No problem
Adds license requirements for the new special antlerless seasons
No problem.
Requires hunter orange for youth hunters during the youth special deer season and during the new antlerless only seasons; hunter orange is already required for all deer hunters during the firearms and muzzleloader seasons
No problem
Requires at least 144 square inches of hunter orange material on a ground blind used while deer hunting during a season when a hunter is already required to wear hunter orange
No problem
Requires the owner’s name and address on ground blinds used on department properties
No problem
Hunting Equipment
Allows a crossbow to be used by hunters who are at least 64 years old during the early archery season
Allow them in, period
Allows a crossbow to be used during the deer firearms and muzzleloader seasons by hunters of any age
No problem
Allows a hunter of any age to use a crossbow in an urban deer zone during the urban deer season.
No problem
Allows a rifle cartridge to have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches instead of 1.625 inches
No problem
Seasons and Bag Limits
Allows youth hunters to take the number of antlerless deer allowed in each county during the special youth deer season (in addition to one antlered deer)
Good change
Extends the urban deer season through January 31 of the following year
No problem
Requires hunters to take at least one antlerless deer prior to taking an antlered deer in the urban deer season
It will just cause things like the same doe to checked in 5 times - I'd just prefer to kill this part.
Expands the urban deer zones in Lake and Porter counties to all of those counties.
No opinion - don't know anything about that area.
Changes the deer firearms season to start on the first Saturday before Thanksgiving and continue for only 8 additional days.
Absolute nonsense - only there to appease the special interest bunch. This is a big issue for me. Are they going to cut the license fee accordingly - bet not!
Shortens the deer muzzleloader season to only 9 days
Same answer as above.
Adds an antlerless deer only firearms season in October (2 days only) in counties with an antlerless quota of 4 or more. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota.
This is another big problem issue for me. Give the archery hunters (including myself) their season.
Adds another antlerless deer-only firearms season from December 25 through January 1 of the following year. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota.
No problem. I'm not really interested in it but OK with me.
Military Reserves and National Wildlife Refuges
Opens the firearms season on designated military reserves and national wildlife refuges on October 1 instead of November 1
No problem
Adds the new nonresident youth deer hunting license types
No problem.
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Post by racktracker on Jul 21, 2010 10:32:10 GMT -5
Summary of Proposed Deer Rule Changes
Definitions
Moves the definition of crossbow to the definitions section, instead of defining it in 312 IAC 9-3-3
No problem
Adds a definition of ground blind
No problem
General Requirements and Licenses
Adds the new nonresident youth deer license types
No problem
Adds license requirements for the new special antlerless seasons
No problem.
Requires hunter orange for youth hunters during the youth special deer season and during the new antlerless only seasons; hunter orange is already required for all deer hunters during the firearms and muzzleloader seasons
No problem even though that includes bowhunters.
Requires at least 144 square inches of hunter orange material on a ground blind used while deer hunting during a season when a hunter is already required to wear hunter orange
No problem, but should be visible from 360 degrees.
Requires the owner’s name and address on ground blinds used on department properties
No problem
Hunting Equipment
Allows a crossbow to be used by hunters who are at least 64 years old during the early archery season
Quit vacillating to the IBA and ISR and make it for everyone. They want to kill deer and leave out crossbows in the early archery? Then they cant be too serious or the captitulating..
Allows a crossbow to be used during the deer firearms and muzzleloader seasons by hunters of any age
Wont do a lot of good. It is a feel good so the IBA can says 'Aren't we generous? We OKed that". Whoopee!
Allows a hunter of any age to use a crossbow in an urban deer zone during the urban deer season.
Quit vacillating to the IBA and ISR and make it for everyone. They want to kill deer and leave out crossbows in the early archery? Then they cant be too serious and they are captitulating..
Allows a rifle cartridge to have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches instead of 1.625 inches
No problem
Seasons and Bag Limits
Allows youth hunters to take the number of antlerless deer allowed in each county during the special youth deer season (in addition to one antlered deer)
Wonderful idea. What took them so long?
Extends the urban deer season through January 31 of the following year
No problem. Should throw a few more gun days in there too.
Requires hunters to take at least one antlerless deer prior to taking an antlered deer in the urban deer season
No problem. Why not state wide on a second buck?
Expands the urban deer zones in Lake and Porter counties to all of those counties.
No dog in that fight. I'm not sure if that is a NRC thing or not?
Changes the deer firearms season to start on the first Saturday before Thanksgiving and continue for only 8 additional days.
This one is a back breaker for me. The IDNR has to have the very same data posted all over the net and still they want to move the gun hunt?? More deer have been killed with early starting dates and would continue to be more killed IF left alone.
Shortens the deer muzzleloader season to only 9 days
I muzzleoader hunt and this is a slap in the face to me and the other smokepolers. We do MORE than our share of killing does (someone said 80% of our kill and I believe that) and this is the thanks that we get?
Adds an antlerless deer only firearms season in October (2 days only) in counties with an antlerless quota of 4 or more. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota.
If they really wanted to do it right they would have a 9 day season then. Of course they would hear too much wailing and gnashing of teeth from the bowhunter group and the ISR. They wouldn't want to whiz off their stakeholder buddies. OK to whiz all us other hunters off, but they have to keep peace with their buddies.
Adds another antlerless deer-only firearms season from December 25 through January 1 of the following year. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota.
I doubt that I will hunt any holiday. That belongs to the family.
Military Reserves and National Wildlife Refuges
Opens the firearms season on designated military reserves and national wildlife refuges on October 1 instead of November 1
No problem
Adds the new nonresident youth deer hunting license types
No problem. I too would support that they would make the non-resident bonus tags the same price as residents. No NR is going to pay $150 for a doe tag when they kill them for little or nothing in their home state.
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Post by js2397 on Jul 21, 2010 10:33:39 GMT -5
I only oppose moving and shortening of the seasons. I would like to see more inclusion of xbows but can live with what they have.
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Post by jjas on Jul 21, 2010 11:07:37 GMT -5
Requires hunter orange for youth hunters during the youth special deer season and during the new antlerless only seasons; hunter orange is already required for all deer hunters during the firearms and muzzleloader seasons
Yes.
Requires at least 144 square inches of hunter orange material on a ground blind used while deer hunting during a season when a hunter is already required to wear hunter orange
Yes.
Requires the owner’s name and address on ground blinds used on department properties
Yes.
Hunting Equipment
Allows a crossbow to be used by hunters who are at least 64 years old during the early archery season
Allows a crossbow to be used during the deer firearms and muzzleloader seasons by hunters of any age
Allows a hunter of any age to use a crossbow in an urban deer zone during the urban deer season.
No. Xbows should be allowed for anyone who wishes to use them. The range is approximately the same as a compound bow and I feel the state caved to the bowhunting lobby.
Allows a rifle cartridge to have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches instead of 1.625 inches
Yes.
Seasons and Bag Limits
Allows youth hunters to take the number of antlerless deer allowed in each county during the special youth deer season (in addition to one antlered deer)
Yes.
Extends the urban deer season through January 31 of the following year
Yes.
Requires hunters to take at least one antlerless deer prior to taking an antlered deer in the urban deer season
Yes, but once this gets started how long before EAB is required in all counties designated 4+?
Expands the urban deer zones in Lake and Porter counties to all of those counties
Don't know enough about it.
Changes the deer firearms season to start on the first Saturday before Thanksgiving and continue for only 8 additional days
No. I think it's wrong to take 44% of the buck hunting opportunties away from anyone. Combine this with the fact that the season is held during a holiday week, add bad weather and many won't have much of a chance to kill a buck.
But then, that's the plan.
Shortens the deer muzzleloader season to only 9 days
I agree with Woody on this one. These guys hunt in the worst weather and kill primarily does. Why crap on their parade?
Adds an antlerless deer only firearms season in October (2 days only) in counties with an antlerless quota of 4 or more. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota.
I think this could be a good idea, but I don't know how farmers are going to react to hunters dragging deer out of their bean fields and meat spoilage is always a concern during the heat. Will the processors be set up to receive this many deer?
Adds another antlerless deer-only firearms season from December 25 through January 1 of the following year. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota.
Gee, another season for gunhunters during the holiday week...How many guys will really be out? And that's the point.
Military Reserves and National Wildlife Refuges
Opens the firearms season on designated military reserves and national wildlife refuges on October 1 instead of November 1
I don't know enough to comment.
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Post by 36fan on Jul 21, 2010 12:31:59 GMT -5
Definitions
Moves the definition of crossbow to the definitions section, instead of defining it in 312 IAC 9-3-3
No opinion
Adds a definition of ground blind
No problem, but the term “manufactured” is vague and would require to be defined in the rule as well.
General Requirements and Licenses
Adds the new nonresident youth deer license types
Unsure. I don’t know how it is currently structured – could nonresident youths not hunt in Indiana? Was a general ‘Youth Licensed” issued, regardless of if the minor was a resident or nonresident? And, off the licenses listed that a youth could hunt with, “Bonus Antlerless” is not listed. If the current setup does not differentiate between resident and nonresident youths, I see no reason to change it. I do not support an additional charge for a nonresident youth over a resident youth.
Adds license requirements for the new special antlerless seasons
Unsure. If this is just a bonus anterless tag that could also be used during any other season, I have no problem with it. If it is an additional license that is only good for the anterless season, I am against it.
Requires hunter orange for youth hunters during the youth special deer season and during the new antlerless only seasons; hunter orange is already required for all deer hunters during the firearms and muzzleloader seasons
Agree
Requires at least 144 square inches of hunter orange material on a ground blind used while deer hunting during a season when a hunter is already required to wear hunter orange
Unsure as it is written. While I support orange on a blind, more info is needed. Does 144 inches of orange required to be visible from any direction mean their has to be a 12”x12” patch on all four sides, or a total of 144 inches, with a portion visible from each direction. I am not aware of any blinds that are currently being sold with four 12”x12” patches of orange – most are probably only 6”x6”. Would placing a orange vest on the top of the blind meet the requirements?
Requires the owner’s name and address on ground blinds used on department properties
No problem
Hunting Equipment
Allows a crossbow to be used by hunters who are at least 64 years old during the early archery season
The rule should be modified to allow crossbows to hunters of any age during early and late archery seasons. Could this be perceived as discrimination based on age?
Allows a crossbow to be used during the deer firearms and muzzleloader seasons by hunters of any age
The rule should be modified to allow crossbows to hunters during all seasons.
Allows a hunter of any age to use a crossbow in an urban deer zone during the urban deer season.
The rule should be modified to allow crossbows to hunters during all seasons.
Allows a rifle cartridge to have a maximum case length of 1.8 inches instead of 1.625 inches
This would only apply to a very few individuals; however, I would like to see some rifle calibers added (like the .30-30).
Seasons and Bag Limits
Allows youth hunters to take the number of antlerless deer allowed in each county during the special youth deer season (in addition to one antlered deer)
Agree
Extends the urban deer season through January 31 of the following year
No opinion. Most hunters will be done by this point and not out in the weather with a bow.
Requires hunters to take at least one antlerless deer prior to taking an antlered deer in the urban deer season
Disagree. The intent of the urban hunts is to reduce the total population of deer, not one sex or the other. Brown is down in this case - yearlings, buttons, spike, monster buck, or doe, it doesn’t matter, just like the stat park reduction hunts.
Expands the urban deer zones in Lake and Porter counties to all of those counties
Indifferent; however, I would like to see the urban deer zone in Hendricks and Boone Counties moved from SR 267 to SR 39, and include an urban zone in Morgan and Johnson Counties.
Changes the deer firearms season to start on the first Saturday before Thanksgiving and continue for only 8 additional days
Disagree. Leave the firearm season as it is.
Shortens the deer muzzleloader season to only 9 days
Disagree. Leave the muzzleloader season as it is.
Adds an antlerless deer only firearms season in October (2 days only) in counties with an antlerless quota of 4 or more. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota.
No problem.
Adds another antlerless deer-only firearms season from December 25 through January 1 of the following year. The hunter may take the number of antlerless deer in each county allowed under the bonus county quota.
I support this; however, most hunters will be done for the season by this point. It does provide a good opportunity for youths to hunt while on Christmas Break from school, and an additional opportunity for adults to take youths hunting.
Military Reserves and National Wildlife Refuges
Opens the firearms season on designated military reserves and national wildlife refuges on October 1 instead of November 1
Indifferent
Adds the new nonresident youth deer hunting license types
See comment about nonresident youth hunting license above.
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Post by whiteoak on Jul 21, 2010 14:53:56 GMT -5
My take is
If the DNR wants more does killed, all except three rules should be adopted. Shortening and moving the firearms season, shortening the muzzle loader season contridicts "more does killed". It is a simple smoke screen tactic used to curtail hunters who choose a firearm, or muzzle loader the opportunity to harvest male deer by certain groups of people who think, by doing so, greatly improve the QUALITY and QUANTITY available for them to pursue. My take.
My solution
In areas of the state that need more doe killed for a balance herd structure. Leave length and time of these two seasons alone, make the firearms tag either sex, enact all other proposed rules. These problem areas should have a well balanced deer herd in a couple years at most. If this thread only intent was to hear my take only on these rules, Then whoever has the power and feels the need can delete my solution. I understand
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 21, 2010 16:54:26 GMT -5
I will simplifie it here I am aginst the any shortening or moveing back of any current season .I am also agins the EAB in UZ becausethis is a test to see if they can get by with this in regular season . I am aginst the "Non" inclusion of xbow in regular archery season for anyone who wants to use them .What they offer as xbows go was a slap in the face not an advancement at all. I am totaly agins anOct gun season period too much foliage and crops it is too dangerous IMHO .
I can live with the rest and they need xbows all season for evryone and "Tele check" if they really want to increase the harvest numbers.
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Post by Greenedog on Jul 22, 2010 19:13:32 GMT -5
First off; I'm pro-crossbow for archery season.
Requires hunters to take at least one antlerless deer prior to taking an antlered deer in the urban deer season.
Not a fan of EAB.
Changes the deer firearms season to start on the first Saturday before Thanksgiving and continue for only 8 additional days.
No way! I checked my work schedule to see how this would have effected my seasons the past 3 years. I would have had 2 days to hunt each year. There's no way I'm buying a license to hunt 2 days. It's hard enough to get time off to hunt in a 2 week period.
Shortens the deer muzzleloader season to only 9 days.
Same as above. I'm not buying a license to hunt a few days that late in the year.
Everything else I can live with.
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Post by buddylee on Jul 23, 2010 17:39:38 GMT -5
I like everything except I say -
No to Moving the gun seasons. The best time to kill any deer is the earliest starting date possible. Not moving it back.
No to Shortening the gun and MZ season. No way can we kill more deer in less time. Show me some scientific proof that this is even remotely possible. Really screwing over the MZ hunters. They kill a ton of does.
You all are right in tossing crossbwers a bone. Close to nothing for crossbowers OR the IDNR getting more deer killed. Wasn't killing deer the object and they left this one out?
Open it up for everyone.
My 2 cents worth
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