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Post by whiteoak on Jul 20, 2010 22:03:45 GMT -5
Someone please correct me if I am wrong here. I was looking at this years hunting regulations for quota number antlerless per county. My count was 23 counties has less than 4 bonuse antlerlees limits. Indiana has 92 counties by my count. These number show that 1/4 of the state will not be having any early 2 day hunts in Oct. or late Dec 25- Jan 1 hunts for antlerless deer. 1/4 of the state will have 8 days compared to the usual 2 weeks to kill does during the firearms season that usually kills more than all other seasons combined. The DNR want, needs more does killed. To bad Mr Einstein has passed away. Maybe he could of explained it to me
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Post by jjas on Jul 20, 2010 22:06:36 GMT -5
Why do I have a feeling that several of those counties will get bumped up to 4+ counties by next year when all this takes effect.
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Post by Decatur on Jul 20, 2010 22:28:21 GMT -5
Lets hope not!
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Post by bullwinkle on Jul 20, 2010 23:20:38 GMT -5
Someone please correct me if I am wrong here. I was looking at this years hunting regulations for quota number antlerless per county. My count was 23 counties has less than 4 bonuse antlerlees limits. Indiana has 92 counties by my count. These number show that 1/4 of the state will not be having any early 2 day hunts in Oct. or late Dec 25- Jan 1 hunts for antlerless deer. 1/4 of the state will have 8 days compared to the usual 2 weeks to kill does during the firearms season that usually kills more than all other seasons combined. The DNR want, needs more does killed. To bad Mr Einstein has passed away. Maybe he could of explained it to me So you would not like not having the opportunity to shoot does in the proposed additional days in your county?
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Post by whiteoak on Jul 21, 2010 1:33:48 GMT -5
[/quote]So you would not like not having the opportunity to shoot does in the proposed additional days in your county?[/quote]
In 2007 my counties deer numbers in about a 2 month time frame was cut in nearly in half with very few adult deer surviving. EHD does not affect new born deer near as bad as adult deer, but also new born deer usually, depending when born, survive without their mothers. We have a very immature deer herd with the majority well under 3 years old. Deer sightings are picking up but nowhere near prior 2007. I myself do not like having the opportunity and will not shoot does until I see proof for the need of herd reduction and I'm on a free ride with a LTL.
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Post by BOBinIN on Jul 21, 2010 5:16:24 GMT -5
Whiteoak,
I absolutely agree with what you are saying about the EHD of 2007 severely damaging the herd in Pike County. My son, an avid hunter, works and hunts at IPL in Petersburg and told me the same things about the "kill-off" they experienced on the property. Good luck to you, BOBinIN
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 21, 2010 5:59:57 GMT -5
Someone please correct me if I am wrong here. I was looking at this years hunting regulations for quota number antlerless per county. My count was 23 counties has less than 4 bonuse antlerlees limits. Indiana has 92 counties by my count. These number show that 1/4 of the state will not be having any early 2 day hunts in Oct. or late Dec 25- Jan 1 hunts for antlerless deer. 1/4 of the state will have 8 days compared to the usual 2 weeks to kill does during the firearms season that usually kills more than all other seasons combined. The DNR want, needs more does killed. To bad Mr Einstein has passed away. Maybe he could of explained it to me So you would not like not having the opportunity to shoot does in the proposed additional days in your county? No I would not we do not need the extra shooting in this county period what we had before was plenty.
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Post by vectrix on Jul 21, 2010 14:37:34 GMT -5
So you would not like not having the opportunity to shoot does in the proposed additional days in your county? No I would not we do not need the extra shooting in this county period what we had before was plenty. ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) WHAT? Did I miss something or were you just leading the charge right before these new proposals were announced for shooting an extra buck? I could post up some of what I'm speaking off but don't think I need to. So which is it, do you need more shooting or don't you? Pick a side, more killing or less killing?
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 21, 2010 16:58:06 GMT -5
No I would not we do not need the extra shooting in this county period what we had before was plenty. ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) WHAT? Did I miss something or were you just leading the charge right before these new proposals were announced for shooting an extra buck? I could post up some of what I'm speaking off but don't think I need to. So which is it, do you need more shooting or don't you? Pick a side, more killing or less killing? You know what I mean her less shooting of does in my county . I mean really my county is next to the only A county in the state so what do you think that the deer herd just suddnly explodes at the county line ???No it does not . This has nothing to do with a second buck that every hunter should still have the right to take.
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Post by vortex100 on Jul 21, 2010 17:15:52 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out how my co is 8 this year? ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) I guess not that many people hunt in Madison Co.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 21, 2010 17:25:34 GMT -5
I about dropped my teeth when I heard the DNR guy say yesterday that they had been in a "stabilization or slightly growing" the herd for some time.
Then today..
“For the last several years, Indiana deer management and associated deer rules were designed to stabilize or slightly grow the deer herd,” said Mitch Marcus, wildlife section chief for the DNR Division of Fish and Wildlife.
Back in the mid '90s Jim Mitchell and John Olsen saw a prblem with too many deer and we could buy bonus tags over the counter - all we wanted until the county allotment ran out. It was whack 'em and stack 'em time. That took the herd down consdierably.
Ever since then the IDNR has ben constantly rasing county numbers. I do not recall any county's number wever going down. Even after getting hit BAD with EHD.
No, we are not in a "stabilize or slightly grow" mode..
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Post by vectrix on Jul 21, 2010 21:04:08 GMT -5
![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png) WHAT? Did I miss something or were you just leading the charge right before these new proposals were announced for shooting an extra buck? I could post up some of what I'm speaking off but don't think I need to. So which is it, do you need more shooting or don't you? Pick a side, more killing or less killing? You know what I mean her less shooting of does in my county . I mean really my county is next to the only A county in the state so what do you think that the deer herd just suddnly explodes at the county line ???No it does not . This has nothing to do with a second buck that every hunter should still have the right to take. So it's just the doe herd that is struggling, the bucks need thinned?? I have kept my mouth shut for awhile, can't argue with guys who threaten to stop hunting or shoot nothing but button bucks just because the rules were changed. Kinda shows what kind of hunters they were in the first place. Everyone needs to wake up, grow up and put on their big boy pants. The stuff that is being throwed out there is just nonsense! So Indiana now has a 2/1 buck to doe ratio? Hell Ranch managers in Texas strive for years to get their herd down to 1-1 0r 2-1 There is no WILD herd in the country that can boast those numbers. Thats why rattling doesn't work here as well as it does in Texas on a ranch. I don't like the idea of sharing the Oct. woods with gun hunters but it's a reality I may have to deal with. If you have done your homework, hunt hard and don't make excuses more than likely it will be no different, you WILL get your buck.
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Post by hornharvester on Jul 22, 2010 12:17:08 GMT -5
I have kept my mouth shut for awhile, can't argue with guys who threaten to stop hunting or shoot nothing but button bucks just because the rules were changed. Kinda shows what kind of hunters they were in the first place. vectrix, You don't know me or my hunting situation so don't judge someone by what deer they shoot. Besides, If I want to kill button bucks on my property what business is it of yours? What the heck makes a buck more valuable than a doe other than the antlers so many like you prize. In my particular hunting situation, Ive got 129 acres that is all dedicated to wildlife. Ive went from seeing 15 -20 deer a day to 4-5 or less. I see more bucks than does. Last year alone I didn't see any does until almost the first of November. Ive shot two bucks in six years on my property because i let the smaller ones go. Ive got hunters that hunt the boundary on all sides and they shoot everything that jumps over the fence. My doe population is almost null. I live and hunt in a very high pressure area. I wont even shoot a doe until later part of the muzzleloader season because they are shoot off here. So, don't criticize someone for shooting button bucks because they don't hunt like you think they should. Your kind of reasoning is why hunting is heading in the direction its going today. Hunting is about killing deer whether its a buck or doe, nothing more, nothing less. h.h.
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 22, 2010 15:45:03 GMT -5
You know what I mean her less shooting of does in my county . I mean really my county is next to the only A county in the state so what do you think that the deer herd just suddnly explodes at the county line ???No it does not . This has nothing to do with a second buck that every hunter should still have the right to take. So it's just the doe herd that is struggling, the bucks need thinned?? I have kept my mouth shut for awhile, can't argue with guys who threaten to stop hunting or shoot nothing but button bucks just because the rules were changed. Kinda shows what kind of hunters they were in the first place. Everyone needs to wake up, grow up and put on their big boy pants. The stuff that is being throwed out there is just nonsense! So Indiana now has a 2/1 buck to doe ratio? Hell Ranch managers in Texas strive for years to get their herd down to 1-1 0r 2-1 There is no WILD herd in the country that can boast those numbers. Thats why rattling doesn't work here as well as it does in Texas on a ranch. I don't like the idea of sharing the Oct. woods with gun hunters but it's a reality I may have to deal with. If you have done your homework, hunt hard and don't make excuses more than likely it will be no different, you WILL get your buck. You have it backwards it is 1 buck to 2 or 3 does . Man you want a fight soo badly My big boy pants have been on for a long long time ! And I will do what I feel I need to do in my woods . And I do not need some guy that is years younger than me telling me how to feel, how to hunt , and to put my big boy pants on . I tag plenty of deer and that includes my buck every year as well. The button buck shooting thing really has you all knoted up !! Relax you got a whole year before that happens .
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 22, 2010 15:57:28 GMT -5
C'mon guys... let's don't make it personal..
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Post by M4Madness on Jul 22, 2010 18:16:18 GMT -5
Why do I have a feeling that several of those counties will get bumped up to 4+ counties by next year when all this takes effect. My county's (Lawrence) bonus antlerless bag limit has always fluctuated between 2 and 3 - always - until this year. Now it and every county around me has been increased to 4. I'll give you three guesses why they bumped 'em all up this season. I was hoping that my county wouldn't be included in an October antlerless firearm season next year. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/sad.png)
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Post by freedomhunter on Jul 22, 2010 21:20:14 GMT -5
I have kept my mouth shut for awhile, can't argue with guys who threaten to stop hunting or shoot nothing but button bucks just because the rules were changed. Kinda shows what kind of hunters they were in the first place. vectrix, You don't know me or my hunting situation so don't judge someone by what deer they shoot. Besides, If I want to kill button bucks on my property what business is it of yours? What the heck makes a buck more valuable than a doe other than the antlers so many like you prize. In my particular hunting situation, Ive got 129 acres that is all dedicated to wildlife. Ive went from seeing 15 -20 deer a day to 4-5 or less. I see more bucks than does. Last year alone I didn't see any does until almost the first of November. Ive shot two bucks in six years on my property because i let the smaller ones go. Ive got hunters that hunt the boundary on all sides and they shoot everything that jumps over the fence. My doe population is almost null. I live and hunt in a very high pressure area. I wont even shoot a doe until later part of the muzzleloader season because they are shoot off here. So, don't criticize someone for shooting button bucks because they don't hunt like you think they should. Your kind of reasoning is why hunting is heading in the direction its going today. Hunting is about killing deer whether its a buck or doe, nothing more, nothing less. h.h. Your hunting is about to get better, like it or not. Can't tell you the amount of owners I know in the same situation, 100 or 200 acres they try to manage, got shooters lining the boundary killing all the bucks they passed over 32 days.
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