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Post by swilk on Jul 9, 2010 6:54:23 GMT -5
Just curious .... when you say majority what exactly are you talking about? And more importantly, where are you getting the numbers to back it up?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2010 7:15:17 GMT -5
Just curious .... when you say majority what exactly are you talking about? And more importantly, where are you getting the numbers to back it up? ........as in what the survey results showed? |
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Post by swilk on Jul 9, 2010 7:29:05 GMT -5
No. Unless there is a survey I am not aware of. An unscientific survey consisting of 10,000 respondents out of 200,000 licensed hunters does not a majority make.
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Post by Decatur on Jul 9, 2010 8:56:51 GMT -5
True, but all surveys are just a sampling of any population. They can get an accurate idea of which way the wind blows.
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Post by swilk on Jul 9, 2010 9:06:53 GMT -5
True .... but I have seen what happens when someone brings a fan in to manipulate the wind direction.
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Post by tenring on Jul 9, 2010 9:10:49 GMT -5
No. Unless there is a survey I am not aware of. An unscientific survey consisting of 10,000 respondents out of 200,000 licensed hunters does not a majority make. How many registered voters do we have in this country, and how many actually voted in the last election? Constituted a majority didn't it? |
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Post by swilk on Jul 9, 2010 9:12:44 GMT -5
No, actually it didnt.
Constituted a majority of voters who actually voted, not a majority of registered voters ..... big difference.
Ever notice how most of those political surveys say "among likely voters"? There is a reason for that.
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Post by racktracker on Jul 9, 2010 11:09:35 GMT -5
No. Unless there is a survey I am not aware of. An unscientific survey consisting of 10,000 respondents out of 200,000 licensed hunters does not a majority make. How many registered voters do we have in this country, and how many actually voted in the last election? Constituted a majority didn't it? I think we will see a "majority" of hunters speak up next year after they get blindsided by this proposal. Way yoo late, but they will speak then. Maybe even to their legislator. This could have a MAJOR unintended consquence. Would that be ironic or what? The IDNR pushes this stuif through in answer to a legislator and then it fires up enough people to contact their legislators and they take over anyway? I can see that happening. |
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Post by tenring on Jul 9, 2010 12:00:02 GMT -5
No buck hunting in November, period!
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Post by drs on Jul 9, 2010 12:02:54 GMT -5
I'm so sick of this crap!! I'm about to just throw in the towel and give up hunting altogether. Remember when Hunting was FUN and not so POLITICAL? |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 9, 2010 12:23:59 GMT -5
I'm so sick of this crap!! I'm about to just throw in the towel and give up hunting altogether. Remember when Hunting was FUN and not so POLITICAL? BUT, BUT, BUT...These are supposed to be the "good old days". It does kind of take the fun out of it, doesn't it? Just think of the ignorant bliss that 250,000 Indiana deer hunters are in now and the turmoil that will happen next year when they open the hunting guide. |
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jul 9, 2010 12:46:43 GMT -5
Remember when Hunting was FUN and not so POLITICAL? BUT, BUT, BUT...These are supposed to be the "good old days". It does kind of take the fun out of it, doesn't it? Just think of the ignorant bliss that 250,000 Indiana deer hunters are in now and the turmoil that will happen next year when they open the hunting guide. There won't be a hunting guide in print due to cutbacks. Everything will be on-line so the masses will not even know what was done until it is too late!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 9, 2010 13:07:46 GMT -5
BUT, BUT, BUT...These are supposed to be the "good old days". It does kind of take the fun out of it, doesn't it? Just think of the ignorant bliss that 250,000 Indiana deer hunters are in now and the turmoil that will happen next year when they open the hunting guide. There won't be a hunting guide in print due to cutbacks. Everything will be on-line so the masses will not even know what was done until it is too late!!!!!!!!! That will be part of the poopie htting the fan... |
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Post by tenring on Jul 9, 2010 13:57:55 GMT -5
Quite a coincidence isn't it?
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Post by mrfixit on Jul 10, 2010 4:33:31 GMT -5
Aw heck the State of Indiana is probably already salivating and contemplating how to spend the financial windfall they will realize after our resident rabbit sheriffs  finish writing all those tickets next year. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they haven't already figured that into the budget somehow..... ;D |
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Post by mbogo on Jul 10, 2010 16:09:20 GMT -5
I see many on here speculating as to why the DNR is changing the rules. Below is the conclusion that the DNR came to. It is their document. Some of these proposals came from the NRC and it's meetings. Some came out of the stakeholder meetings but most came from the DNR with opinions from biologist and those in law enforcement. They looked at data and what other staes are doing. Some are accusing some of the organized deer groups as being the driving force. That is far from reality. The legislature primarily pushed by Rep. Bill Friend is what primed the pump and started the DNR to make changes. Everyone that has commented at DNR meetings and through written comments have influenced some of the outcome. You can't honestly point the finger at IBA, the IDHA, QDMA and say they they controlled the outcome of the changes when you have expansion of the crossbow, a new gun season in early archery and more gun hunting in late archery season. You can but it's not honest. I would encourage all to be involved in the process be it talking to your legislator, the DNR or the NRC but those groups that were part of the stakeholders meeting are not the boogymen calling the shots. If it were only that simple. Doug, are you going on record to say the IDHA and IBA were not actively promoting rule changes to shorten firearms and muzzleloader seasons and push back the start of firearms season? Are you additionally saying that those groups do not support the proposed rule changes to shorten firearms and muzzleloader seasons? Or are you simply saying the IDHA and IBA couldn't completely influence all the proposed changes and were forced to accept some concessions (crossbow expansion, early antlerless season) to get what they wanted (shorter, later firearms and muzzleloader seasons)? |
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Post by deerman1 on Jul 10, 2010 19:23:35 GMT -5
Remember when Hunting was FUN and not so POLITICAL? BUT, BUT, BUT...These are supposed to be the "good old days". It does kind of take the fun out of it, doesn't it? Just think of the ignorant bliss that 250,000 Indiana deer hunters are in now and the turmoil that will happen next year when they open the hunting guide. Remember my thread asking if the good old days of deer hunting are long gone or are they now  I got the answer to that that I posted prior to all this political stuff .Yip it is long gone the fun and carefree bliss of just hunting without compition and backstabbing are dead and burried .it is all about power ,fame ,and money now days and that is the saddest part of all .It is not about the hunters or the deer anymore. Good bye old friend "deer hunting" I will miss you . |
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Post by huxbux on Jul 10, 2010 20:33:53 GMT -5
I see many on here speculating as to why the DNR is changing the rules. Below is the conclusion that the DNR came to. It is their document. Some of these proposals came from the NRC and it's meetings. Some came out of the stakeholder meetings but most came from the DNR with opinions from biologist and those in law enforcement. They looked at data and what other staes are doing. Some are accusing some of the organized deer groups as being the driving force. That is far from reality. The legislature primarily pushed by Rep. Bill Friend is what primed the pump and started the DNR to make changes. Everyone that has commented at DNR meetings and through written comments have influenced some of the outcome. You can't honestly point the finger at IBA, the IDHA, QDMA and say they they controlled the outcome of the changes when you have expansion of the crossbow, a new gun season in early archery and more gun hunting in late archery season. You can but it's not honest. I would encourage all to be involved in the process be it talking to your legislator, the DNR or the NRC but those groups that were part of the stakeholders meeting are not the boogymen calling the shots. If it were only that simple. Doug, are you going on record to say the IDHA and IBA were not actively promoting rule changes to shorten firearms and muzzleloader seasons and push back the start of firearms season? Are you additionally saying that those groups do not support the proposed rule changes to shorten firearms and muzzleloader seasons? Or are you simply saying the IDHA and IBA couldn't completely influence all the proposed changes and were forced to accept some concessions (crossbow expansion, early antlerless season) to get what they wanted (shorter, later firearms and muzzleloader seasons)? Good questions. |
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Post by mrfixit on Jul 11, 2010 5:33:40 GMT -5
Yep great questions, wonder why they haven't been answered as of yet because they been posted awhile....
I'm anxiously awaiting the response!
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Post by boonechaser on Jul 12, 2010 9:33:13 GMT -5
I hate to see gunhunter's lose hunting days afield but being primarily a bowhunter the rule changes really don't effect me that much. As compared to some neighboring states Indiana's firearm season even at 9 days long is still pretty liberal. EX. Illinois 2 three day hunt's. Plus the fact that the proposed changes add 2 two day doe hunt's so number days lost isn't that many. I'm sure the IBO and IDHA as well as QDMA all had a big impact on the proposed changes for sure. The changes for me are not life and death and evidentily alot of discussion has taken place for them to be developed. With that said I still fired an objective email to the NRC and Mr. Daniel's because I personally like the way things are currently and feel the oppurtunity for bagging a true trophy deer in Indiana is at a all time high. Whether you believe the OBR, higher doe harvest or just larger deer herd in general are the reason's.
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finish writing all those tickets next year. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they haven't already figured that into the budget somehow..... ;D
I got the answer to that that I posted prior to all this political stuff .Yip it is long gone the fun and carefree bliss of just hunting without compition and backstabbing are dead and burried .it is all about power ,fame ,and money now days and that is the saddest part of all .It is not about the hunters or the deer anymore.